6 Nations 2023

[UlsterNo9]

Ball in play 46 minutes and 10 seconds. Average at test level is just below 40 minutes. The big French lads couldn't handle it.

Thon big Antonio has a look of big Joe who could of done with swimming back to Fiji.

[Bobbievee]

How many scrums?
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Churlish in the extreme

[big mervyn]

Does the tackle in the air rule not apply near the try line? The interpretation of high/ no arms seems more relaxed there too

[StandUp]

Does the tackle in the air rule not apply near the try line? The interpretation of high/ no arms seems more relaxed there too

Was definitely a no arms tackle. Could have been an argument for a penalty try if it wasn’t given.
Tackle in the air is routinely ignored in these situations.

[jean valjean]

Is it not only an offence to tackle when competing for a ball in the air? Is diving for the line not a lot safer as it is virtually impossible make them land on head/ back? A lot of defenders try to dislodge the ball with a swinging arm / slap which could be deemed no arms.

[big mervyn]

Does the tackle in the air rule not apply near the try line? The interpretation of high/ no arms seems more relaxed there too

Was definitely a no arms tackle. Could have been an argument for a penalty try if it wasn’t given.
Tackle in the air is routinely ignored in these situations.

Not awarding the penalty try cost Ire 2 pts. His foot was in touch.

A pen try really should be awarded to the player denied

[Cap'n Grumpy]

Does the tackle in the air rule not apply near the try line? The interpretation of high/ no arms seems more relaxed there too

Was definitely a no arms tackle. Could have been an argument for a penalty try if it wasn’t given.
Tackle in the air is routinely ignored in these situations.

Not awarding the penalty try cost Ire 2 pts. His foot was in touch.

A pen try really should be awarded to the player denied

That was how I read it too Merv. No arms involved in the tackle, but the ref and other officials were more concerned with the grounding and whether Lowe was in touch at any stage.

I wonder would they have considered the tackle if they concluded that Lowe had brushed the grass in touch before grounding?

Ref's though are less inclined to award penalty tries when the players have succeeded in scoring for themselves, but that still potentially penalises the attacking team by making for a difficult conversion rather than an automatic 7 pointer.

[jean valjean]

Does the tackle in the air rule not apply near the try line? The interpretation of high/ no arms seems more relaxed there too

Was definitely a no arms tackle. Could have been an argument for a penalty try if it wasn’t given.
Tackle in the air is routinely ignored in these situations.

Not awarding the penalty try cost Ire 2 pts. His foot was in touch.

A pen try really should be awarded to the player denied

That was how I read it too Merv. No arms involved in the tackle, but the ref and other officials were more concerned with the grounding and whether Lowe was in touch at any stage.

I wonder would they have considered the tackle if they concluded that Lowe had brushed the grass in touch before grounding?

Ref's though are less inclined to award penalty tries when the players have succeeded in scoring for themselves, but that still potentially penalises the attacking team by making for a difficult conversion rather than an automatic 7 pointer.

A piece of foul play conceded during a try should allow the conversion to be taken from in front of the posts. Penalty on the restart also like Porters last week.

[UlsterNo9]

A penalty try would also have meant a mandatory yellow card, no covering defence and denied a certain try.

Penaud left arm tucked against his body, never wraps with it, first contact with the left shoulder. The right arm does go out, but no wrap in my humble opinion.

Link to watch it again
https://twitter.com/PlanetRugby/status ... SpQvfaRuw

[UlsterNo9]

That was how I read it too Merv. No arms involved in the tackle, but the ref and other officials were more concerned with the grounding and whether Lowe was in touch at any stage.

I wonder would they have considered the tackle if they concluded that Lowe had brushed the grass in touch before grounding?

Ref's though are less inclined to award penalty tries when the players have succeeded in scoring for themselves, but that still potentially penalises the attacking team by making for a difficult conversion rather than an automatic 7 pointer.

Yellow card as a matter of fact also, disappointed you've missed that Grumps

[Dave]

There is also a jump the tackle argument.

Or you can't tackle the player in the air argument.

[UlsterNo9]

There is also a jump the tackle argument.

Or you can't tackle the player in the air argument.

Jumping over a tackle isn't illegal according to the law book, but refs will penalise it for dangerous play. Players diving for the line to score a try is legal.

I'll let Wayne Barnes playing with dolls explain...

https://youtu.be/_zeNxJLhqNE

[Dave]

There is also a jump the tackle argument.

Or you can't tackle the player in the air argument.

Jumping over a tackle isn't illegal according to the law book, but refs will penalise it for dangerous play. Players diving for the line to score a try is legal.

I'll let Wayne Barnes playing with dolls explain...

https://youtu.be/_zeNxJLhqNE

That's pathetic. Not much to argue then. The uafc is gone soft. Call me something nasty. Bring my mother into it. FFS.

[Cap'n Grumpy]

That was how I read it too Merv. No arms involved in the tackle, but the ref and other officials were more concerned with the grounding and whether Lowe was in touch at any stage.

I wonder would they have considered the tackle if they concluded that Lowe had brushed the grass in touch before grounding?

Ref's though are less inclined to award penalty tries when the players have succeeded in scoring for themselves, but that still potentially penalises the attacking team by making for a difficult conversion rather than an automatic 7 pointer.

Yellow card as a matter of fact also, disappointed you've missed that Grumps

Yer not disappointed at all, and I didn't miss it. Once the ref has decided it's foul play, that part is a no brainer.

The bit I was referring to is when ref's take the easy option of giving the try just because the player has managed to ground the ball despite foul play, and not giving the penalty try sanction the foul play deserves.

There is also a jump the tackle argument.

Or you can't tackle the player in the air argument.

There's no jumping the tackle argument. Jumping the tackle (as it's often referred to) involves putting the ball carrier's feet and/or knees where the tackler is expected to make contact and is dangerous play.

Lowe was diving for the line, not jumping over a tackle. There is no danger to the tackler in that action. It makes a legal tackle more difficult, but doesn't endanger him. Paul Steinmetz could show how it's done legally.

[Dave]

Typical England getting a home town ref.