Les Kiss - Director of Rugby

[bazzaj]

Sorry thought Payne to 13 was a given.
Thats where he wants to play and the very same Irish set up Kiss is a part of want to see him there.
Thats the one on field move I am expecting as Kiss's ppointment has put the nail in Paynes 13 coffin.

[rumncoke]

Payne can't remove Kearney from full back . While there are those who consider Kearney is missing in the tackle it is a common failing of fullbacks to appear to be missing any back with a change of pace or side step can wrong foot the full back.

If Payne is seen to an assured defender of the gain line the Irish 13 shirt could be his because there are few doubts of his attacking skills .


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[pwrmoore]

Sorry thought Payne to 13 was a given.
Thats where he wants to play and the very same Irish set up Kiss is a part of want to see him there.
Thats the one on field move I am expecting as Kiss's ppointment has put the nail in Paynes 13 coffin.

Bazza. I don't think that there has been anyone fromthe Ireland set-up confirmed as having said that they see Payne's future at 13 for Ireland. That idea seems to have come from Payne himself and a certain amount of conjecture in the press - possibly due to briefing by Payne's agent. Pretty sure that Joe Schmidt has only ever mentioned Cave and Henshaw as serious contenders.

[bazzaj]

Maybe not officially p but all the talk Ive heard in rugby circles points to Payne as a 13.
We have also signed a 15 so all the clues are there whether we like it or not.

[Cornerfleg]

Cave and Louis are better 13s than Payne.

[rorybestsbigbaldnoggin]

Maybe not officially p but all the talk Ive heard in rugby circles points to Payne as a 13.
We have also signed a 15 so all the clues are there whether we like it or not.

When you say rugby circles - anyone from the Irish coaching set-up? The Ulster coaching set-up? The boardrooms of the IRFU and/or Ulster Rugby?


Also, and on another note, I'd contest the notion that Payne's attacking skills are already known *at 13.* Payne is an excellent attacking full-back, but without the space and kicking opportunities that the full-back slot affords, he becomes fairly anonymous in attack at 13, and a downright liability in defense.

[Kofi Annan]

Bazz what rugby circles, my circles used to be in the Maypole in Holywood. but that particular circle is now a hecatommyriagon

[Scranner]

Reasonable rumour that Windy will be going to Leinster as part of this deal. Happy that we have Ludik and we get to keep Cave if this rumour is true, but still feel it sets a bad precedent.

The only 'rumour' I have seen or heard to this effect has been speculation in the press or on RTE? I am not disputing that it may happen just questioning whether you have heard it elsewhere.

[Setanta]

A chap called Nucifora (don't know how that's pronounced?) - nah, only joking - think I read it in the Irish Times?

[Russ]

A chap called Nucifora (don't know how that's pronounced?) - nah, only joking - think I read it in the Irish Times?

Payne's agent has been very good with the press

We all like a good Les Kiss

[Nightsoil]

Its funny that back then he was seen as hard nosed uncompromising kiwi when we were winning and when it all goes bandy he is a bully.
I still think we are a side blessed with talent and Afoas departure gets rid of a disruptive element.

Kiss in charge will confirm Paynes shift to 13 and I would like the players empowered to express themselves which we saw signs of initally under Anscombe.
Looking forward to seeing the new signings in particular amd hopefully they will help offer a fresh approach.

Could be that his change from hard nosed to bully is the reason we went from winning to bandy.

Re Your Earlier Post - I'm no fan of Glorious Failure either, but context is needed sometimes. Clermont in Clermont were a ferocious and incredible beast then.

Still, if we're talking about results... call that 1 and a half big ones in McGlock's last season, Anscombe had 3 in his two... I don't see that as big progress. McLaughlin left a side that could go places and perform.

[Snipe Watson]

Maybe not officially p but all the talk Ive heard in rugby circles points to Payne as a 13.
We have also signed a 15 so all the clues are there whether we like it or not.

Clearly your rugby circles follow BBC Norn Iron and not what Joe Schmidt says. They are like a lot of other circles that tend to focus on fairly narrow circles.
When asked about the 13 shirt Joe mentions Cave and Henshaw and on one occasion Tommy Bowe. When specifically asked about Payne as an option he says yes, he is an option, but then he would, wouldn't he? Most observers that I have spoken to are of the opinion that Cave is a better 13 and Payne is better at 15 than he is at 13. I have a feeling that Joe Schmidt may well share that view.

[rumncoke]

Not trying to second guess JS but can't see BOWE in 13 for Ireland the only given is that the Shirt is open . The other fact is that Payne is one of the most effective runners with ball in hand playing in Ireland (effective =line break) the other is Kearney Both can't play full back on the same team

Cave seldom makes a break but has a sound defence , has more pace than many think and has a good pass and knows how to time the pass .Similarly he seldom tries to run round his opposite number a serious fault of many centres but I am yet to be convinced that JS considers Cave to be Ireland's 13 and Henshaw has yet to convince he is better than Cave and I can't see JS opting for some inexperienced maybe ?






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[Russ]

Might be interesting to check Cave's clean line breaks versus Paynes for the last season

I think you might be surprised Rum as I regularly saw Cave break the line and rarely saw Payne

We all like a good Les Kiss

[Snipe Watson]

Not trying to second guess JS but can't see BOWE in 13 for Ireland the only given is that the Shirt is open . The other fact is that Payne is one of the most effective runners with ball in hand playing in Ireland (effective =line break) the other is Kearney Both can't play full back on the same team

Cave seldom makes a break but has a sound defence , has more pace than many think and has a good pass and knows how to time the pass .Similarly he seldom tries to run round his opposite number a serious fault of many centres but I am yet to be convinced that JS considers Cave to be Ireland's 13 and Henshaw has yet to convince he is better than Cave and I can't see JS opting for some inexperienced maybe ?

Well in that case Joe must be a clown and a liar, because he has said Cave is a front runner for the 13 shirt on more than one occasion and then picked him there.......