Re: Payne- Defensive Genius- Fact or Fiction?
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:38 am
Hardly like Ireland win big games. With and without Payne
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Oh right. I didn't listen to Joe's press conference.Cockatrice wrote:thats what big fingers on a small phone get you… those are the words used by Joe Schmidt as are 'we're looking for him to control our defence again in the frontline' suggesting to my anyways that he is the defensive linch-pin. I have never seen it but if Joe says it then it must be true. I also watched a TV clip in which Connor Murray seemingly repeats the same PR ramble that Payne is the man that controls the defensive show on the pitch…Snipe Watson wrote:That may make all kinds of sense in your head, but it doesn't on my screen.Cockatrice wrote:Snipe.. sorry not me that is what How's says of him.Snipe Watson wrote:What we lack in midfield would not be cured by putting Jared into the team.Cockatrice wrote:What we lack with Jared Payne not in the midfield has been particularly evident for us.
Our midfield problems are a symptom of a pack that is barely holding its own in the tight and is lightweight as well as way too slow off the mark in both attack and defence.
Well he has played in 2 matches this season and both were at fullback so a bit too far back to control itJackie Brown wrote:Why doesn't he control the Ulster defence?
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But he's never been a defensive lynch pin for us...Rooster wrote:Well he has played in 2 matches this season and both were at fullback so a bit too far back to control itJackie Brown wrote:Why doesn't he control the Ulster defence?
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That must have been what we were missingJackie Brown wrote:But he's never been a defensive lynch pin for us...Rooster wrote:Well he has played in 2 matches this season and both were at fullback so a bit too far back to control itJackie Brown wrote:Why doesn't he control the Ulster defence?
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I'm just totally confused why he puts fullbacks in the centre and a winger at fullback plus has a player who can't even make the first team squad for his province on the bench , we would be laughing at an an English or French coach for doing the same thing.Cockatrice wrote:I pose the question out of interest not out of some underhanded motive.
The PR sell on JP from within the Irish camp is in my opinion OTT but then again they must have been chomping at the bit to get him NIQ given his apparent (but less than obvious to me) ability to be the defensive linch-pin in the Irish defence.
Yes he can tackle but as with others I see a more passive style rather than anything aggressive but then it must be his ability to lead and communicate to others. Again something that wasn't immediately obvious to me from what I seen from him at 15 for Ulster but clearly it was to Joe & Les.
I think McCloskey did well against England given the circumstances and in truth I don't think he deserved to be dropped indeed I think it would have been beneficial to see him operate against a possible weaker Italian 12/13 channel. Does Joe really need JP back this weekend to galvanise the Irish defence should be collapse against an Italian onslaught or is he hoping that JP and Henshaw can rack up a try or two to feel the offensive quality..
I just don't get it but thankfully I am not the coach… I am sure Les can't wait to get him back at Ulster and get rid of all that tom kite we have filling in for now…
BOD says you need to get your best players on the pitch then worry about where they play ...Rooster wrote:I'm just totally confused why he puts fullbacks in the centre and a winger at fullback plus has a player who can't even make the first team squad for his province on the bench , we would be laughing at an an English or French coach for doing the same thing.Cockatrice wrote:I pose the question out of interest not out of some underhanded motive.
The PR sell on JP from within the Irish camp is in my opinion OTT but then again they must have been chomping at the bit to get him NIQ given his apparent (but less than obvious to me) ability to be the defensive linch-pin in the Irish defence.
Yes he can tackle but as with others I see a more passive style rather than anything aggressive but then it must be his ability to lead and communicate to others. Again something that wasn't immediately obvious to me from what I seen from him at 15 for Ulster but clearly it was to Joe & Les.
I think McCloskey did well against England given the circumstances and in truth I don't think he deserved to be dropped indeed I think it would have been beneficial to see him operate against a possible weaker Italian 12/13 channel. Does Joe really need JP back this weekend to galvanise the Irish defence should be collapse against an Italian onslaught or is he hoping that JP and Henshaw can rack up a try or two to feel the offensive quality..
I just don't get it but thankfully I am not the coach… I am sure Les can't wait to get him back at Ulster and get rid of all that tom kite we have filling in for now…
Not a monumental achievement against 23 dustbins but hey, credit where it's due, he played well and his timing was magnificent for his try.Cockatrice wrote:Held the team together today..
Thank God he was at 13Cockatrice wrote:Held the team together today..