Bad News Day for the DUPers.

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solidarity wrote:Anybody think the time has come to end this consociational nonsense and simply go for a standard government and opposition? We would have to have a coalition and on the current figures, it couldn't be a purely sectarian arrangement (I think). A functioning opposition with the real hope of making it into government next time round would be invaluable. With the DUP and UUP being pretty conservative and SFand SDLP being broadly socialist, people might be tempted to vote on other than sectarian lines. At least it's worth a shot - it couldn't be any worse than the status quo.
It's a very tricky one Solids, I'd love to agree with you but for me as a non-SF supporter I can completely understand why they are hunting for Mrs Fascist's head, she has been a triumphalist gloating sneering presence showing no respect whatsoever and having horrible little acolytes like the dreadful Givan saying in so many words that they don't like shiners but are forced to work with them. In many ways it is the languages used by the DUPers and Shinners that drive a man to drink and forsake all hope.

Maybe if they made Irish the official language I wouldn't understand a word anyone spoke and would be more content.

Then again you are right that what's there is a nonsense and impractical, it's just that we don't do grown up politics so I fear we are condemned to repeat the current mess ad nauseum.
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Describing the SDLP as broadly socialist made me laugh as much as the labour party declaring them their "sister" party here, recommending working class voters, Unionist or non to vote for them, all to avoid organising.... the SDLP represent a middle class conservative catholic vote with many deeply held views not that far removed from DUP on subjects such as abortion etc...
They are now the middle class Nationalist small c conservative version of UUP. It isn't where their original roots lay, tbf, harking back to P. Devlin, Fitt et al, all decent men and visionaries. As an aside Paddy was a bug rugby fan and could be often found at Shane park in his latter days, sadly nearly blind, with a friend giving game commentary.
They (SF) tried to burn Fitt out of his Antrim road home many times- How i miss that certain generation of working class politicians who tried to stand up to naked sectarianism.
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CIMANFOREVER wrote:Describing the SDLP as broadly socialist made me laugh as much as the labour party declaring them their "sister" party here, recommending working class voters, Unionist or non to vote for them, all to avoid organising.... the SDLP represent a middle class conservative catholic vote with many deeply held views not that far removed from DUP on subjects such as abortion etc...
They are now the middle class Nationalist small c conservative version of UUP. It isn't where their original roots lay, tbf, harking back to P. Devlin, Fitt et al, all decent men and visionaries. As an aside Paddy was a bug rugby fan and could be often found at Shane park in his latter days, sadly nearly blind, with a friend giving game commentary.
They (SF) tried to burn Fitt out of his Antrim road home many times- How i miss that certain generation of working class politicians who tried to stand up to naked sectarianism.
A lot I disagreed with Gerry Fitt and Paddy Devlin on, but they were both honourable men who would have done anything for their constituents of whatever background, and defended workers rights and safety no matter anyone's political, religious or class background.

Both were men of courage and principle and my late father was friendly with both (I believe both visited in my house when I was younger - Gerry certainly did as a sitting MP, and I definitely remember meeting Paddy several times with me da) despite being "from the other side" from my family.

It was a sad day they were hounded out of the SDLP and that party lost its true links to socialism and labour. Modern so-called politicians aren't a shadow of either of these two men.
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100% for that post, Cap'n!
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CIMANFOREVER wrote:Describing the SDLP as broadly socialist made me laugh as much as the labour party declaring them their "sister" party here, recommending working class voters, Unionist or non to vote for them, all to avoid organising.... the SDLP represent a middle class conservative catholic vote with many deeply held views not that far removed from DUP on subjects such as abortion etc...
They are now the middle class Nationalist small c conservative version of UUP. It isn't where their original roots lay, tbf, harking back to P. Devlin, Fitt et al, all decent men and visionaries. As an aside Paddy was a bug rugby fan and could be often found at Shane park in his latter days, sadly nearly blind, with a friend giving game commentary.
They (SF) tried to burn Fitt out of his Antrim road home many times- How i miss that certain generation of working class politicians who tried to stand up to naked sectarianism.
Absolutely CIMAN, now if it's that deeply unpopular thing called socialism you want, then vote SF. The Labour bit of SDLP went a long time ago. I have mild but unsubstantiated hopes that you WhiteSpot might make a left turn but they have that narrow support base you spoke of and even the Derry heartland is going shinner. And yes, they rather than the Shinners are the political wing of the Catholic Church - the Bible & the Ballot Box, there was some other shower with a similarly catchy strapline .............but the ould memory is not what it once was.

That bit about Paddy & Gerry, nearly brought a tear to my old mince pies CIMAN, it could have been just as easily written by my father. Had he survived he would have turned 100 in September, as it is he's gone a very long time, just over a year of that old bitch Thatcher was all his heart could take. :thumleft:

Ah, I've just seen Grump's post, wise words Grumps, 2 good men. I fear when young people these days see what passes for the Labour party, they can have no concept that those guys and their likes in England Scotland & Wales weren't highly educated men from Oxbridge, they had a bit of Denis Skinner in them, guys to whom the truth, not spin, was important and they were genuine ordinary guys who went into politics to make a difference to people like them who on both sides of the sectarian divide here, were almost equally in privation, prods of course find work that bit easier to come by.
NEVER MOVE ON. Years on, I cannot ever watch Ireland with anything but indifference, I continue to wish for the imminent death of Donal Spring, the FIRFUC's executioner of Wee Paddy & Wee Stu, and I hate the FIRFUCs with undiminished passion.
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