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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby mikerob » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:49 pm

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big mervyn wrote:Religious grounds I believe.

The fact that same sex marriage is currently illegal here strengthens their case imo. Seems reasonable for them not to print something that contravenes the law as it stands. If they refused to print one celebrating a civil partnership that would be a different matter.


I'm not sure there is a legal issue if someone advocates something that is currently illegal or else there would be no campaigning at all to change existing laws.

If they wanted the cake to say "Increase maximum speed limit" or "Support legalisation of marijuana" could someone refuse to do this because they disagree with this?


Yes - they could. That is the point. Their opposition was on religous grounds (ie their religious beliefs contradicted the customers political message). Their opposition was not on the grounds of the customers' sexuality. I have to presume they would also have refused my custom if I had asked for the same message.


So, for example, if a butcher wanted to print flyers saying "Buy our pork sausages - they are delicious", a Jewish printer could refuse to print them on the grounds that according to their religious beliefs, pork sausages aren't delicious but are an abomination and unclean?
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby Rooster » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:52 pm

mikerob wrote:
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big mervyn wrote:Religious grounds I believe.

The fact that same sex marriage is currently illegal here strengthens their case imo. Seems reasonable for them not to print something that contravenes the law as it stands. If they refused to print one celebrating a civil partnership that would be a different matter.


I'm not sure there is a legal issue if someone advocates something that is currently illegal or else there would be no campaigning at all to change existing laws.

If they wanted the cake to say "Increase maximum speed limit" or "Support legalisation of marijuana" could someone refuse to do this because they disagree with this?


Yes - they could. That is the point. Their opposition was on religous grounds (ie their religious beliefs contradicted the customers political message). Their opposition was not on the grounds of the customers' sexuality. I have to presume they would also have refused my custom if I had asked for the same message.


So, for example, if a butcher wanted to print flyers saying "Buy our pork sausages - they are delicious", a Jewish printer could refuse to print them on the grounds that according to their religious beliefs, pork sausages aren't delicious but are an abomination and unclean?

I just can't understand why if the Jewish printer does not want to print it why should he ?
Should he just say I don't want the job as I have enough work at present ? would that be ok ?
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby Cornerfleg » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:56 pm

That's a good point ... if you just say no ... can't do that sorry, do you have to give a reason why you can't do it ... if you say nothing and are polite, the onus to prove you're a racist/sexist/homophobe is on the potential customer and that would be very hard if you just said sorry cant do it.

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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby mikerob » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:58 pm

Well yes. I don't think any business is obliged to accept an order and can turn away a customer for any number of legitimate reasons. So does it just come down to the reason they give for not accepting the business?
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby BR » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:01 pm

Cornerfleg wrote:What if someone wanted a cake with ban gays on it ... could they be refused?


I think so - I was thinking of finding a suitable bakers and asking for 'Repeal the 1982 Order' - just for badness, like.
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby Dave » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:05 pm

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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby damianmcr » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:02 pm

Wonder what Mary Berry thinks.
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby Russ » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:07 pm

damianmcr wrote:Wonder what Mary Berry thinks.

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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby Shan » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:35 pm

Somebody will make money. That is the most important thing with any rights-related incidents. The Equality Commission have effectively declared that monetary compensation will trump any potential discrimination case, assuming of course that what is alleged about the letter is accurate.

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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby HwoodMike2umate » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:43 pm

Slightly off topic but all this talk of CAKE has got me thinking of the charming but rather scantily clad Erika Eleniak (born 29.9.1969) appearing out of a lovely cake in Under Siege (1992). Anyone else find themselves this week reliving famous cake scenes in movies or is it just me?
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby Snipe Watson » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:49 pm

BR wrote:
Cornerfleg wrote:What if someone wanted a cake with ban gays on it ... could they be refused?


I think so - I was thinking of finding a suitable bakers and asking for 'Repeal the 1982 Order' - just for badness, like.

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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby Shan » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:51 pm

Gay Bulls have no right to life. Who will take up this case? Poor old Benjy. :D

Benjy the bull facing the slaughterhouse as he is 'gay'

The breeding bull has been chasing other bulls as opposed to heifers.

He is now facing the slaughterhouse as his owner has been forced to bring in a replacement bull to inseminate his herd.

The farmer, who wishes to remain anonymous, said he is resigned to the animal’s sexuality.


http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/benjy-the-bull-facing-the-slaughterhouse-as-he-is-gay-30725727.html
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby Russ » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:55 pm

Apple. So gay
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby Kofi Annan » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:03 pm

My mates were taking the pi$h out of me and calling me gay just because I invited them to mine for tea and cake.

Then, to make things worse I got my head stuck in the window of the Wendy house we were sat in.
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Postby Full time » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:18 pm

As this is a rugby forum why bung it up with this crap? Serious question
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