A little bit of politics folks`
Moderator: Moderators
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
David Davis saying the same deal for all of the UK, possibly heading towards a UK wide "soft" brexit - staying in the SM and CU etc.
Almost like the Tories didn't think this whole thing through........
The soft option would rip the Tories apart.
Almost like the Tories didn't think this whole thing through........
The soft option would rip the Tories apart.
- BaggyTrousers
- Rí na Cúige Uladh
- Posts: 30337
- Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:29 pm
- Location: España
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
So Mrs May does a deal on the Irish border so she can move on to what matters most to Britain.
Yes, she did the deal, made the agreement, whatever term you wrap around it, then the DUP catch the scent on the wind and after a bollocking from Mrs Foster, Mrs May is forced to issue a cringeworthy withdrawal, "sorry everyone, Mrs Fascist has told me the deal is off".
You could not make this shyte up, Mrs May, the weakest PM since Gerry Fitt brought down Jim Callaghan, having to look a fool in the UK's most important international negotiation in many decades, stripped bare in public and ordered around like a dog by a rump of 18th century dwelling backwoods yokels from the tiny country UlsterScotland.
Oh, how the 27 countries of the EU must be chuckling to see the leader of the haughty UK ordered to sit the fu'ck down by an ignorant big bigotted fat bird from Fermanny.
Today I understand that Mrs May asked Mrs Fascist to join her in negotiations, but it appears Mrs Fascist has to have her husband's dinner on the table at 6 pm - very DUP, Pootsie would approve - & like a former leader of the DUP, might cut up rough and slap her around a bit if it's not piping hot and on time.
What I find utterly remarkable is that NI's status in the UK is copperfastened and writ large in the Good Friday/Belfast Agreement. The DUP have never warmed to the agreement, despite it being entirely responsible for the Republic of Ireland dropping their territorial claim over NI & essentially recognising NI as part of the UK for the first time and legally agreeing to that position.
So why the DUP panic when an agreement is proposed that in every respect will put the vile wee statelet in the 100% uniquely advantageous position of being able to benefit from any deals negotiated by an EU free UK but also enjoy all the existing benefits to trade unfettered with the EU without encumbrance.
The bottom line is that this is entirely to do with trade, not sovereignty. It appears that my long felt thought that the DUP have nothing to offer anyone but that wee word no. The DUP seem determined that NI will be impoverished, in the mistaken belief that this alone will keep the Union Fleg flying over the big city hall of Belfaaaaaaaaaaaaast for 17 days a year in perpetuity.
Yes, she did the deal, made the agreement, whatever term you wrap around it, then the DUP catch the scent on the wind and after a bollocking from Mrs Foster, Mrs May is forced to issue a cringeworthy withdrawal, "sorry everyone, Mrs Fascist has told me the deal is off".
You could not make this shyte up, Mrs May, the weakest PM since Gerry Fitt brought down Jim Callaghan, having to look a fool in the UK's most important international negotiation in many decades, stripped bare in public and ordered around like a dog by a rump of 18th century dwelling backwoods yokels from the tiny country UlsterScotland.
Oh, how the 27 countries of the EU must be chuckling to see the leader of the haughty UK ordered to sit the fu'ck down by an ignorant big bigotted fat bird from Fermanny.
Today I understand that Mrs May asked Mrs Fascist to join her in negotiations, but it appears Mrs Fascist has to have her husband's dinner on the table at 6 pm - very DUP, Pootsie would approve - & like a former leader of the DUP, might cut up rough and slap her around a bit if it's not piping hot and on time.
What I find utterly remarkable is that NI's status in the UK is copperfastened and writ large in the Good Friday/Belfast Agreement. The DUP have never warmed to the agreement, despite it being entirely responsible for the Republic of Ireland dropping their territorial claim over NI & essentially recognising NI as part of the UK for the first time and legally agreeing to that position.
So why the DUP panic when an agreement is proposed that in every respect will put the vile wee statelet in the 100% uniquely advantageous position of being able to benefit from any deals negotiated by an EU free UK but also enjoy all the existing benefits to trade unfettered with the EU without encumbrance.
The bottom line is that this is entirely to do with trade, not sovereignty. It appears that my long felt thought that the DUP have nothing to offer anyone but that wee word no. The DUP seem determined that NI will be impoverished, in the mistaken belief that this alone will keep the Union Fleg flying over the big city hall of Belfaaaaaaaaaaaaast for 17 days a year in perpetuity.
NEVER MOVE ON. Years on, I cannot ever watch Ireland with anything but indifference, I continue to wish for the imminent death of Donal Spring, the FIRFUC's executioner of Wee Paddy & Wee Stu, and I hate the FIRFUCs with undiminished passion.
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
That'll be a hell of a result - the UK having to abide by all the EU regulations but having absolutely no say in setting them....Neill_M wrote:David Davis saying the same deal for all of the UK, possibly heading towards a UK wide "soft" brexit - staying in the SM and CU etc.
Almost like the Tories didn't think this whole thing through........
The soft option would rip the Tories apart.
Paul.
C'mon Ulsterrrrrrrrr!
C'mon Ulsterrrrrrrrr!
- BaggyTrousers
- Rí na Cúige Uladh
- Posts: 30337
- Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:29 pm
- Location: España
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
NM, is that what he said?Neill_M wrote:David Davis saying the same deal for all of the UK, possibly heading towards a UK wide "soft" brexit - staying in the SM and CU etc.
Almost like the Tories didn't think this whole thing through........
The soft option would rip the Tories apart.
I just caught a bit if his speech on the wireless and he appeared to be saying that yes it will be the same for all parts of the UK, but I got the feeling that rather than a soft BRexit, many Tories will be happy to do a "No Deal" and blame the ultimate hard brexit on the DUP.
Maybe they should get Noel Edmonds in to look after it all.
God but I hate this country.
NEVER MOVE ON. Years on, I cannot ever watch Ireland with anything but indifference, I continue to wish for the imminent death of Donal Spring, the FIRFUC's executioner of Wee Paddy & Wee Stu, and I hate the FIRFUCs with undiminished passion.
- BaggyTrousers
- Rí na Cúige Uladh
- Posts: 30337
- Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:29 pm
- Location: España
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
Mariano Rajoy has just emulated General Mike Flynn, and when asked about Arlene Fascist, gave a short arm salute and barked, "Lock her up, lock her up.big mervyn wrote:A leader with cojones would call Arlene's bluff.Rooster wrote:They haven't had a clue what to do since this whole thing started, it wasn't in the game plan when Cameron called the referendum and no one logically thought the whole thing through.BR wrote:I'm confused - what did the Tories think was going to happen today?Dave wrote:DUP are holding everyone to ransom. Literally everyone.
NEVER MOVE ON. Years on, I cannot ever watch Ireland with anything but indifference, I continue to wish for the imminent death of Donal Spring, the FIRFUC's executioner of Wee Paddy & Wee Stu, and I hate the FIRFUCs with undiminished passion.
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
He said no special deals for any part of the UK, it is looking like a choice between no deal and "soft" brexit.BaggyTrousers wrote:NM, is that what he said?Neill_M wrote:David Davis saying the same deal for all of the UK, possibly heading towards a UK wide "soft" brexit - staying in the SM and CU etc.
Almost like the Tories didn't think this whole thing through........
The soft option would rip the Tories apart.
I just caught a bit if his speech on the wireless and he appeared to be saying that yes it will be the same for all parts of the UK, but I got the feeling that rather than a soft BRexit, many Tories will be happy to do a "No Deal" and blame the ultimate hard brexit on the DUP.
Maybe they should get Noel Edmonds in to look after it all.
God but I hate this country.
- BaggyTrousers
- Rí na Cúige Uladh
- Posts: 30337
- Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:29 pm
- Location: España
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
OK, I'm still seeing no deal as the Tory position then.
My largest concern is that my pension will continue to be paid in sterling, that apart the UK could spontaneously combust just as soon as I sell my bricks.
Of minor interest, sterling appears to have strengthened ever so slightly, perhaps the markets are seeing "soft Brexit", or as I prefer to call it, "utterly pointless Brexit".
My largest concern is that my pension will continue to be paid in sterling, that apart the UK could spontaneously combust just as soon as I sell my bricks.
Of minor interest, sterling appears to have strengthened ever so slightly, perhaps the markets are seeing "soft Brexit", or as I prefer to call it, "utterly pointless Brexit".
NEVER MOVE ON. Years on, I cannot ever watch Ireland with anything but indifference, I continue to wish for the imminent death of Donal Spring, the FIRFUC's executioner of Wee Paddy & Wee Stu, and I hate the FIRFUCs with undiminished passion.
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
The so called "soft brexit" will cost at least as much as they currently pay in, well if it is similar to Norwegian deal will actually cost even more than present and all for the privilege of having no say in future negotiationsNeill_M wrote:He said no special deals for any part of the UK, it is looking like a choice between no deal and "soft" brexit.BaggyTrousers wrote:NM, is that what he said?Neill_M wrote:David Davis saying the same deal for all of the UK, possibly heading towards a UK wide "soft" brexit - staying in the SM and CU etc.
Almost like the Tories didn't think this whole thing through........
The soft option would rip the Tories apart.
I just caught a bit if his speech on the wireless and he appeared to be saying that yes it will be the same for all parts of the UK, but I got the feeling that rather than a soft BRexit, many Tories will be happy to do a "No Deal" and blame the ultimate hard brexit on the DUP.
Maybe they should get Noel Edmonds in to look after it all.
God but I hate this country.
No deal is not an option without a hard border between NI and ROI, so back round in a circle again
“That made me feel very special and underlined to me that Ulster is more than a team, it is a community and a rugby family"
Rory Best
Rory Best
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
David Davis. feck idiot.
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
He seemed out of touch at the weekend as he was in the DUP camp of all out or all in on Monday, didn't appear to know about the part in for NI.damianmcr wrote:David Davis. feck idiot.
As I have said before someone teaching him and his staff about trade deals thinks there is not a lot going on in the top floor.
“That made me feel very special and underlined to me that Ulster is more than a team, it is a community and a rugby family"
Rory Best
Rory Best
-
- Initiate
- Posts: 320
- Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:33 pm
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
UK being totally humiliated on an international stage and May just isn't up to it. There comes a point in time when leaders have to decide if there's any point in staying in the job. That point has long passed for May. If she sincerely believed that the deal she had agreed with the EU on Monday was best for the UK, she should've signed it off, returned to London and taken on all comers. She should've advised Arlene and Nigel to fcuk off home and leave their £1 billion quid on the table on the way out. She should've stuck two fingers up to Gove, Redwood, Rees-Mogg-Tory-Ashton and the rest of the right wing nut jobs currently on the loose in the House of Commons. She should've phoned wee Nicola up in Scotland and Sadiq Khan round the corner and laughed at them down the blower. Then she should've poured herself a large measure of whatever took her fancy, put her feet up on the desk, switched on the telly, and watched the ensuing meltdown. She'd have been out of a job within 48 hours, but at least she could've gone out with some pride.
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
Thing is if she did all that and then just carried on the whole storm would have possibly blown over by the end of the week as who could come up with a better solution to over 300 border crossings some of which couldn't be accessed without driving through someone's private lanes or farm tracks, there are over 270 on public roadspromenader 2 wrote:UK being totally humiliated on an international stage and May just isn't up to it. There comes a point in time when leaders have to decide if there's any point in staying in the job. That point has long passed for May. If she sincerely believed that the deal she had agreed with the EU on Monday was best for the UK, she should've signed it off, returned to London and taken on all comers. She should've advised Arlene and Nigel to fcuk off home and leave their £1 billion quid on the table on the way out. She should've stuck two fingers up to Gove, Redwood, Rees-Mogg-Tory-Ashton and the rest of the right wing nut jobs currently on the loose in the House of Commons. She should've phoned wee Nicola up in Scotland and Sadiq Khan round the corner and laughed at them down the blower. Then she should've poured herself a large measure of whatever took her fancy, put her feet up on the desk, switched on the telly, and watched the ensuing meltdown. She'd have been out of a job within 48 hours, but at least she could've gone out with some pride.
“That made me feel very special and underlined to me that Ulster is more than a team, it is a community and a rugby family"
Rory Best
Rory Best
-
- Lord Chancellor
- Posts: 8235
- Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:06 am
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
Ireland don't want a hard border, Britain doesn't want a hard border, the DUP does't want a hard border, the Shinners don't want a hard border.. no one wants a hard border yet all I heard day after day is about the hard border.. is it the BBC that want a hard border?
For me it doesn't really matter who is taking us out because it is a thankless task for which no one will come out with any credit...
For me it doesn't really matter who is taking us out because it is a thankless task for which no one will come out with any credit...
Currently studying Stage 5 (level3) at IRFU
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
Something the DUP and SF actually agree onCockatrice wrote:Ireland don't want a hard border, Britain doesn't want a hard border, the DUP does't want a hard border, the Shinners don't want a hard border.. no one wants a hard border yet all I heard day after day is about the hard border.. is it the BBC that want a hard border?
For me it doesn't really matter who is taking us out because it is a thankless task for which no one will come out with any credit...
“That made me feel very special and underlined to me that Ulster is more than a team, it is a community and a rugby family"
Rory Best
Rory Best
- BaggyTrousers
- Rí na Cúige Uladh
- Posts: 30337
- Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:29 pm
- Location: España
Re: A little bit of politics folks`
I am not entirely convinced Cockers, that the DUP don't want a hard border. I have never been, based on their utterances since the referendum. I think many consider it a price worth paying to "strengthen the Union" in their tiny minds that cannot distinguish between trading practice & regulation and sovereignty.
These can largely be summarized by, "they need us more than we need them", if there is a hard border, they/the EU will pay for it.
I'm pretty sure that many DUP voters and some politicians are looking at the expression "hard border" and their thought process is "build the wall, keep the Fenians out".
Mrs May & her fuc'kwit mate Davies are at sixes & sevens, not knowing if they are blown up or stuffed.
These can largely be summarized by, "they need us more than we need them", if there is a hard border, they/the EU will pay for it.
I'm pretty sure that many DUP voters and some politicians are looking at the expression "hard border" and their thought process is "build the wall, keep the Fenians out".
Mrs May & her fuc'kwit mate Davies are at sixes & sevens, not knowing if they are blown up or stuffed.
NEVER MOVE ON. Years on, I cannot ever watch Ireland with anything but indifference, I continue to wish for the imminent death of Donal Spring, the FIRFUC's executioner of Wee Paddy & Wee Stu, and I hate the FIRFUCs with undiminished passion.