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BaggyTrousers wrote:
big mervyn wrote:Try this.

https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

I was 84% Plaid Cymru :scratch:

Must be the name :lol: Ah well, somebody else I can't vote for.
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Or 426% Shitzu? >crazy1
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namron wrote:69 % SNP , same Labour 65% Plaid . Lol . Not a fan of the SNP since they ditched their socialist roots.

Tried it out of interest, answering as I think I would if a UK Man. Results as I expected - Labour at top with 82. BNP filth at bottom with 30 which is 30 more than I would like. :D
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Less than 50% in them all ...

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Russ wrote:Less than 50% in them all ...

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big mervyn wrote:
Russ wrote:Less than 50% in them all ...

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Russ wrote:
big mervyn wrote:
Russ wrote:Less than 50% in them all ...

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Great week for Mrs May:

- looks like a recorded holograph during her interview with Andrew Neill, only able to give answers to what she's been trained to say. Pathetic performance Andrew.
- As none of us will ever forget, Dave the pigfuc'ker asked her to get immigration numbers down, allows 330,000 into the UK just over 40% of whom are from EU
- By this stage she had ruined the Border Agency, falling out with the chief officer. Just another failure.
- Now in the wake of Manchester, we are reminded that she was the Home Secretary who not only cut 20,000 police officers, destroying community policing in the process but following on from her row at the Border Agency, she thought she'd have a go and said the Police Federation were crying wolf about the dangerous level of cuts she was imposing. Incompetent bitch.

I'm assuming that nobody would dream of voting for this harridan if we were able. She's a serial failure. :roll:
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http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 78220.html

From the above:

"No-one has anything to fear from being part of the United Kingdom but we all have a lot to lose from leaving it.

"The Union, that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not only is best for the present but it's best for future generations."

Unionist politicians frequently regurgitate this kind of nonsense without producing one iota of evidence to support it. What do we have to lose from leaving the UK? Certainly not our economic prospects. We are consistently one of the most disadvantaged regions of the UK and have to be subsidised by Westminster to the tune of £8bn per annum. Unionists put this forward as a reason to stay within the UK. In doing so, they confuse cause and effect. There is no inherent reason why the 6 counties is an economic basket case requiring handouts: it is an economic basket case because of its position within the UK. Politically we are also a failed entity and have been from the beginning. We had 50 years of one party rule which led directly to 25 years of sectarian murder and mayhem. Since then we've had various attempts at a cobbled together legislature which have failed miserably, to the extent that - 100 years on from the foundation of the state - we are looking at another stint of direct rule because we are unable to do the job ourselves. Socially and culturally we're still backward. We have over 100 peace lines separating us from each other
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 86822.html
while we lag behind both GB and the republic in terms of our equality legislation. The UK as a whole may be a multi cultural, liberal bastion of democracy, but NI has seen none of the benefits of that. Socially, economically and politically we need to try something different. Ending the disaster that partition has been would get my vote.
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promenader 2 wrote:http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 78220.html

From the above:

"No-one has anything to fear from being part of the United Kingdom but we all have a lot to lose from leaving it.

"The Union, that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not only is best for the present but it's best for future generations."

Unionist politicians frequently regurgitate this kind of nonsense without producing one iota of evidence to support it. What do we have to lose from leaving the UK? Certainly not our economic prospects. We are consistently one of the most disadvantaged regions of the UK and have to be subsidised by Westminster to the tune of £8bn per annum. Unionists put this forward as a reason to stay within the UK. In doing so, they confuse cause and effect. There is no inherent reason why the 6 counties is an economic basket case requiring handouts: it is an economic basket case because of its position within the UK. Politically we are also a failed entity and have been from the beginning. We had 50 years of one party rule which led directly to 25 years of sectarian murder and mayhem. Since then we've had various attempts at a cobbled together legislature which have failed miserably, to the extent that - 100 years on from the foundation of the state - we are looking at another stint of direct rule because we are unable to do the job ourselves. Socially and culturally we're still backward. We have over 100 peace lines separating us from each other
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 86822.html
while we lag behind both GB and the republic in terms of our equality legislation. The UK as a whole may be a multi cultural, liberal bastion of democracy, but NI has seen none of the benefits of that. Socially, economically and politically we need to try something different. Ending the disaster that partition has been would get my vote.
The interesting thing is a large percentage of Nationalists would vote against a United Ireland and a small percentage of Unionists would vote for it, it would depend on your work, business or other factors rather than just your political views whether an individual would be better or worse off. Anyway ROI wouldn't want us.
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Rooster wrote:
promenader 2 wrote:http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 78220.html

From the above:

"No-one has anything to fear from being part of the United Kingdom but we all have a lot to lose from leaving it.

"The Union, that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not only is best for the present but it's best for future generations."

Unionist politicians frequently regurgitate this kind of nonsense without producing one iota of evidence to support it. What do we have to lose from leaving the UK? Certainly not our economic prospects. We are consistently one of the most disadvantaged regions of the UK and have to be subsidised by Westminster to the tune of £8bn per annum. Unionists put this forward as a reason to stay within the UK. In doing so, they confuse cause and effect. There is no inherent reason why the 6 counties is an economic basket case requiring handouts: it is an economic basket case because of its position within the UK. Politically we are also a failed entity and have been from the beginning. We had 50 years of one party rule which led directly to 25 years of sectarian murder and mayhem. Since then we've had various attempts at a cobbled together legislature which have failed miserably, to the extent that - 100 years on from the foundation of the state - we are looking at another stint of direct rule because we are unable to do the job ourselves. Socially and culturally we're still backward. We have over 100 peace lines separating us from each other
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 86822.html
while we lag behind both GB and the republic in terms of our equality legislation. The UK as a whole may be a multi cultural, liberal bastion of democracy, but NI has seen none of the benefits of that. Socially, economically and politically we need to try something different. Ending the disaster that partition has been would get my vote.
The interesting thing is a large percentage of Nationalists would vote against a United Ireland and a small percentage of Unionists would vote for it, it would depend on your work, business or other factors rather than just your political views whether an individual would be better or worse off. Anyway ROI wouldn't want us.
We must be the only place in the world where opinion polls have done away with the need for elections and referenda. Look around the world -Trump, Brexit - to see high profile examples of pollsters getting it wrong. Let's have a proper debate and a vote and then see where we stand. 'Too divisive!' is another unionist objection. Of course it's divisive. If people weren't divided in their opinions, there'd be no need for votes of any kind. Brexit was divisive, Scottish independence was divisive, this current general election is divisive. Only in NI is that used as an excuse to justify the status quo.
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I'm with you in spirit Prom2 but I suspect there would be a pretty emphatic no at present. 10 years time could be a different story, for I expect BRexit to severely impoverish the UK and of course, NI will be disproportionately impoverished.

The ace in the hole of UI is the guaranteed welcome into the EU, but for now, I don't think there would be anything close to a majority and as we know from Germany, reunification is a costly business, for Ireland probably more so, it depends on how much it would be worth HM Treasury "sponsoring" us for to get rid of us.

There are those here who will tell you that the UK may well thrive outside the EU, there will be a considerable divorce bill and if the UK tries to walk away from its existing liabilities, they can expect a huge amount of mistrust from potential trading partners. Equally, there are those that will tell you the EU needs the UK trade, they don't, the UK accounts for 3% of the total GDP of the EU, some elements of the EU would suffer more than others but as a whole, it's relatively insignificant. If there were a trade war, the UK would get it's arsepeice in a sling because EU trade is a much more considerable chunk of UK GDP than is the reverse.

Furthermore, though it will all be couched in fluffy terms of divorce the EU will be effectively making it as financially hard on the UK as is possible to put off other waverers. Anyone telling you differently is a buffoon.

Furthermore, in calling this election MayIsuckyerbagPOTUS has wasted almost 3 months - about a sixth of the negotiating period available to the UK to enable BRexit to be ratified by 27 governments within 2 years of article 50.

The spindly bitch who last night played the part of the cowardly lion in her personal production of "Somewhere over the Rainbow, There's a BRexit" is in danger of losing an unlosable election by her repeated cowardice. You have to ask if she is not prepared to debate that political colossus Jezza Corbyn, either on a one to one or last night's leadership debate, does anyone really expect her to face 27 leaders of the EU without defecating in her skinnies? I see parallels with FOLK with her myriad of facial ticks and hugely uncomfortable bakepulling when confront by the saintly Laura Kuenssberg never mind what Paxo might do to her, even if he is a Tory, both at heart and in fact.

Has anyone ever seen May look remotely comfortable in public? We know she is a disaster as a minister with her back catalogue of failure to meet targets, I suspect that Dave Pigfuc'ker may well be the man to ruin the UK in fact, but she will end up as the fall-bitch when the disaster is resolved.

NI will probably lose either way, for we have no dog in the fight thanks to the vast array of bigots in the vile wee statelet's sham parliament who are fiddling whilst Rome burns.
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Yup, that about sums it up perfectly.
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And yet, she will win the election. Sad.
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promenader 2 wrote:We must be the only place in the world where opinion polls have done away with the need for elections and referenda. Look around the world -Trump, Brexit - to see high profile examples of pollsters getting it wrong. Let's have a proper debate and a vote and then see where we stand. 'Too divisive!' is another unionist objection. Of course it's divisive. If people weren't divided in their opinions, there'd be no need for votes of any kind. Brexit was divisive, Scottish independence was divisive, this current general election is divisive. Only in NI is that used as an excuse to justify the status quo.
We need to be very careful about what we consider "pollsters getting it wrong", though. In the case of both Brexit and Trump, the outcome was within a standard polling error. What made it noticeable was that the outcome predicted was "wrong" but this is a problem with people's desire to have polling information presented as a point estimate, with an associated prediction, rather than the distribution that polls actually are. To put this in context, pollsters were actually "more wrong" in the recent French election; the underestimate of Macron's victory was larger than either the Trump or Brexit polls. But people tend not to notice how "wrong" polls are when they predict the correct winner. Were there a United Ireland referendum tomorrow, you would literally be looking at one of the largest polling errors ever...

Funnily enough, though, I agree with the more general point. I'll parse this with the caveat that it's been a long time since I've lived in Northern Ireland and, thus, a long time since I've really cared about, or considered, the constitutional question but... I would prefer a Northern Ireland in a United Ireland and the EU than I would Northern Ireland in the UK and out of the EU. At the same time, now really isn't the time to have that debate if it is a goal that people want to be achievable. For comparison, 35% of Scottish people supported independence before the Scottish referendum was announced; only about 20% of Northern Irish people favour a United Ireland.

Sooner or later, this is a question that will be put to Northern Ireland. That referendum will be more divisive than anything we've seen recently. There wasn't a 35 year civil conflict over Brexit or Scottish independence. Neither Brexit nor the Scottish referendum were divided along centuries old ethno-nationalist divisions. This means that it is something that shouldn't be taken lightly. First, because as far as Northern Ireland has come the referendum will take place under the spectre of that civil conflict. Second, and consequently, it really should be a once-in-a-lifetime question. Agreeing on such a divisive referendum to test how accurate polls are would be a bad move.

If people are genuine about actually achieving a United Ireland, then timing is going to be everything. Let's put it like this: a British government, lead by a political party that has wavered between disinterest in and disdain for Northern Ireland and its political has begun using the ghost of our civil conflict for its own (domestic English) ends and even this has failed to reinforce in 80% of the population's minds that the British government doesn't give a flying feck about Northern Ireland. 80% of the population of Northern Ireland, for some reason, are committed to not really doing anything that could change that status quo. This is where I agree with Baggy: Brexit is going to lead to fundamental changes in day-to-day life in Northern Ireland. In Northern Ireland more than anywhere else, Brexit will hit the hardest. And at some point, people will begin realising that they didn't vote for this. They will realise the massively important role the EU has played in shaping the Northern Ireland they currently live in. And that is the point when this question becomes more relevant.

No one should blow what could become a very real chance to really change the politics in Northern Ireland in the near future through a lack of patience.
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