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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby mikerob » Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:58 pm

World Rugby (formerly IRB) get a minimum fee from the hosts. For NZ 2011 I thought the host union couldn't cover the hosting fee with ticket sales so NZ government had to make up the difference. In France 2007 and I think England 2015, the host union should make a surplus from ticket sales after they have paid World Rugby.

So the overall number of bums on seat may not be the most important thing for World Rugby as they get their wedge anyway. It is more of an issue for the host union and the governments that underwrite the bid. And the governments may figure that even if they need to cough up to meet part of the hosting fee, that will be more than covered by the boost to the economy from visitors.

So World Rugby may be looking at where they would get the most money from broadcasters and sponsors rather than who has the biggest stadiums.
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby Kofi Annan » Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:26 pm

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cardoc wrote:Were we told somewhere back along the line that if Irelands bid to host the IRB world cup was successful Bob the builder would be back at Ravenhill to fill in the corners.


Don't remember being told that by anyone. IIRC it was purely a suggestion.


The CEO himself said that, so its fact
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby Kofi Annan » Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:27 pm

mikerob wrote:World Rugby (formerly IRB) get a minimum fee from the hosts. For NZ 2011 I thought the host union couldn't cover the hosting fee with ticket sales so NZ government had to make up the difference. In France 2007 and I think England 2015, the host union should make a surplus from ticket sales after they have paid World Rugby.

So the overall number of bums on seat may not be the most important thing for World Rugby as they get their wedge anyway. It is more of an issue for the host union and the governments that underwrite the bid. And the governments may figure that even if they need to cough up to meet part of the hosting fee, that will be more than covered by the boost to the economy from visitors.

So World Rugby may be looking at where they would get the most money from broadcasters and sponsors rather than who has the biggest stadiums.


Then, surely the host union would want to sell as much tickets as possible
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby Ampersand » Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:52 pm

Kofi Annan wrote:
mikerob wrote:World Rugby (formerly IRB) get a minimum fee from the hosts. For NZ 2011 I thought the host union couldn't cover the hosting fee with ticket sales so NZ government had to make up the difference. In France 2007 and I think England 2015, the host union should make a surplus from ticket sales after they have paid World Rugby.

So the overall number of bums on seat may not be the most important thing for World Rugby as they get their wedge anyway. It is more of an issue for the host union and the governments that underwrite the bid. And the governments may figure that even if they need to cough up to meet part of the hosting fee, that will be more than covered by the boost to the economy from visitors.

So World Rugby may be looking at where they would get the most money from broadcasters and sponsors rather than who has the biggest stadiums.


Then, surely the host union would want to sell as much tickets as possible

Is anyone saying otherwise? :scratch:
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby Rooster » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:04 pm

Government is underwriting the tournament to the tune of €120 million
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby big mervyn » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:26 pm

Kofi Annan wrote:
BR wrote:
cardoc wrote:Were we told somewhere back along the line that if Irelands bid to host the IRB world cup was successful Bob the builder would be back at Ravenhill to fill in the corners.


Don't remember being told that by anyone. IIRC it was purely a suggestion.


The CEO himself said that, so its fact

... apparently it'll be ready for the quarter final :stir:
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby Neill_M » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:30 pm

From Irish Times

The Government is expected to announce it is prepared to fully underwrite the €100 million-€120 million fee that would have to be paid to World Rugby (formerly the International Rugby Board) to host the tournament in 2023, or possibly 2027.

Approximately 11 stadiums are required to make a bid. The IRFU can provide four – the Aviva Stadium and the RDS in Dublin, Thomond Park in Limerick, and Ravenhill in Belfast.
The rest will be provided by the GAA.
Under the deal reached last month, the 82,000-capacity Croke Park would be used for at least both semi-finals and the final, with a capacity of at least 60,000 required for those games. The stadium could be used for as many as seven games.
GAA congress delegates have voted to put forward Semple Stadium in Thurles, MacHale Park in Castlebar, Pearse Stadium in Galway, Gaelic Grounds in Limerick, Páirc Uí Chaoimh in Cork and Casement Park in Belfast. Páirc Uí Chaoimh this month received permission for a €70 million upgrade, while Casement Park’s inclusion hinges upon permission for a revamp.


Apparently up against the Saffers and the Italians.
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby Kofi Annan » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:28 pm

Neill_M wrote:From Irish Times

The Government is expected to announce it is prepared to fully underwrite the €100 million-€120 million fee that would have to be paid to World Rugby (formerly the International Rugby Board) to host the tournament in 2023, or possibly 2027.

Approximately 11 stadiums are required to make a bid. The IRFU can provide four – the Aviva Stadium and the RDS in Dublin, Thomond Park in Limerick, and Ravenhill in Belfast.
The rest will be provided by the GAA.
Under the deal reached last month, the 82,000-capacity Croke Park would be used for at least both semi-finals and the final, with a capacity of at least 60,000 required for those games. The stadium could be used for as many as seven games.
GAA congress delegates have voted to put forward Semple Stadium in Thurles, MacHale Park in Castlebar, Pearse Stadium in Galway, Gaelic Grounds in Limerick, Páirc Uí Chaoimh in Cork and Casement Park in Belfast. Páirc Uí Chaoimh this month received permission for a €70 million upgrade, while Casement Park’s inclusion hinges upon permission for a revamp.


Apparently up against the Saffers and the Italians.


Sorry, i don't get it, the ambition other than having it should be bigger and better, we aint going to do that with some of the country bumkin stadiums. we will not get it as a single country :duck:
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby ColinM » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:11 pm

If they want it bigger and better - SA

If they want it spread outside of the usual places - Italy

Ireland won't compete on either front, it may have a few stadia that sort of meet the minimum requirements, but imagine some tourists landing in Dublin and trying to get some public transport to Castlebar.
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby Rooster » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:39 pm

ColinM wrote:If they want it bigger and better - SA

If they want it spread outside of the usual places - Italy

Ireland won't compete on either front, it may have a few stadia that sort of meet the minimum requirements, but imagine some tourists landing in Dublin and trying to get some public transport to Castlebar.

Ah but you see it is simple enough to get from Dublin to Castlebar by either train or bus, bad example to pick :D
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby mikerob » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:15 pm

The whole thing will just be decided on horse trading anyway.

Ireland will offer games out to stadiums in Wales, Scotland, England... anywhere... to get votes.

Maybe two of the bidders will get together to stitch up the third - so Ireland tells S Africa - you vote for us in 2023 and we'll vote for you in 2027.

And World Rugby will be mainly interested in broadcast and sponsorship money. I'm sure they want the likes of Sky, BT etc. all bidding against each other and I don't know if the location will make a difference to how much broadcasters will bid.
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby Snipe Watson » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:26 pm

Rooster wrote:Government is underwriting the tournament to the tune of €120 million

Where are they getting that kind of cash?
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby Shan » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:31 pm

Kofi Annan wrote:
Sorry, i don't get it, the ambition other than having it should be bigger and better, we aint going to do that with some of the country bumkin stadiums. we will not get it as a single country :duck:


Didn't realise Ireland was united now Kofi. Believe we are trying to get this as one country plus our wee country. World rugby may believe tis two countries. Should be no bother then. :D
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby mikerob » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:34 pm

Snipe Watson wrote:
Rooster wrote:Government is underwriting the tournament to the tune of €120 million

Where are they getting that kind of cash?


Angela Merkel. She doesn't know it yet though. :lol:

They won't need to pay out the full figure, just cover any shortfall if ticket sales don't reach €120M and if that ends up being a few €10Ms then it will be more than covered by the boost to the economy.

It could be a key advantage for Ireland if the other bidders can't get their governments to underwrite their bids.
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Re: All-Ireland bid to stage 2023 RWC

Postby Shan » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:36 pm

Snipe Watson wrote:
Rooster wrote:Government is underwriting the tournament to the tune of €120 million

Where are they getting that kind of cash?



Tax revenue for November is 3% ahead of target. Ireland(Éire) is flying high again. 2015 will be Celtic Tiger II. Tis fecking mighty. :D
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