I concur. It's away victories that are impressive in this tournament. That said, both France-England and France-Ireland were incredibly tight affairs and could have went either way. Both sides played some nice rugby and both sides scored some good tries during the tournament. Not a lot between them but I reckon on this occasion the table doesn't lie.Shan wrote:No. I think we deserved to win it because we managed to win in Paris whereas England couldn't. But overall, and I said it after our game on Twickers, Ireland and England were the best teams in the 6N. If we had fallen short today I would have been glad England would have won. A victory for good and honest rugby coupled with a wonderful work ethic and with good coaches in both cases.BaggyTrousers wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me ya West Brit.
Most of the civilised world are thinking, "great England didn't win it" whereas I have this awful feeling you reckon that they really deserved to win it.
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Robshaw honest work horse in defence but IMHO not a gifted rugby player I would have Henry before him
At 8 I think the player deserving recognition would be Denton who stood out in a poor Scottish side
6 I think I'd go with PoM had a couple of massive games in the turnover stakes
Second row Toner and Launchbury . Toner secured the line out and Launchbury was the most mobile PoC all effort but age is starting to effect his game Lawes is short too many brain cells and is a penalty machine
Front row Healy Best and another
Backs Care Sexton yesterday's French 12 Burrell
Wings Trimble and North full back Brown
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At 8 I think the player deserving recognition would be Denton who stood out in a poor Scottish side
6 I think I'd go with PoM had a couple of massive games in the turnover stakes
Second row Toner and Launchbury . Toner secured the line out and Launchbury was the most mobile PoC all effort but age is starting to effect his game Lawes is short too many brain cells and is a penalty machine
Front row Healy Best and another
Backs Care Sexton yesterday's French 12 Burrell
Wings Trimble and North full back Brown
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If Lawes wasn't such a bumb-ass he would be an awesome player.
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So what - he missed it.Scranner wrote:Not to take anything away from a stunning victory, but, if your man had kicked that penalty at the end, we would have been third.
You are saying that if we had not won, we would have lost - hardly profound!
And If I were not here, I'd be somewhere else; and if my aunty had horlix etc... etc...
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No spiffy. I'm saying if we had lost we would have been third and we were a penalty kick away from that. Never meant to be profound. Just to bring a little reality to the thing. Ireland team is not yet the full deal. But if you want to be a smartarse go ahead.
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second or third matters not a jot, but we were first......
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Yeah I think it a fair enough point but perhaps not articulated in the best possible way. We gave them 5 points, we could have beaten England and yet we could have lost to them by 15 making the last match a different scenario. Small margins can be the difference between glory and nothing.....just ask NZ who won one RWC and had another given to them. Even the very best teams have to battle and have to have a bit of luck on their side.Scranner wrote:No spiffy. I'm saying if we had lost we would have been third and we were a penalty kick away from that. Never meant to be profound. Just to bring a little reality to the thing. Ireland team is not yet the full deal. But if you want to be a smartarse go ahead.
But to the actual relevant point you raised: We are not the full deal and I don't think anyone would have expected us to be. There is a huge amount of work in the offing for Joe and all the players who want to be in the squads going forward as we try to get to that level where we have at least two players for every position who can operate at the level required to bring us success. The signs are positive at this juncture. Our provinces are going well and players know if they step up they can grasp their opportunity. For me it is a great step on the journey.
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He didn't and we aren't. End of. If Jonny hadn't missed his kicks your man wouldn't have had the chance to win the game. Massive congratulations to Joe and the boys, what a difference a year makes!Scranner wrote:Not to take anything away from a stunning victory, but, if your man had kicked that penalty at the end, we would have been third.
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Final team of tournament,
15- BROWN-Player of the tournament by a mile and a joy to watch when we werent on the recieving end.It was one area in the whole 6 nations that each side were strong in but Brown is the pick.
14- HUGET- Just ahead of AT and performed in every game
13- BOD- Just about did enough for me in defence and attack over the last two games to get the nod though Burrell was quality and a real find in an area where they have struggled.
12-TWELVETREES- Pick of an average lot as was the most creative out of the other inside centres on view and defensively was solid.
11-NORTH-Did enough against Scotland to show he his still a class act. No other competition
10-SEXTON-Sad his worst game was against England which cost us a slam but his other performances were truely world class.
Farrell not too far behind but once again his temprament has come under scrutiny against Italy.
9-CARE-His tap and go that went missing from his game has suddenly returned which is deadly when he chooses to do it. That comes with confidence. Murray was another close call and I thought he was our MOM in Paris with his breaking and control.
8- PICAMOLES-His carrying was vital to the French cause for go forward and was badly missed against Scotland
7- ROBSHAW-Relentless work rate and doggedness and just gets the nod over Chris Henry.
6-POM- Came of age this year and his performance against the Welsh stands him out from the rest.
5- LAWES-Supremely athletic and everywhere in the loose. POC just misses out though was the usual heartbeat of the Irish pack
4- LAUNCHBERRY-England have at last found a replacement for Johnston.Outstanding and with Lawes the best pairing.Big up to Toner who I would say surprised most people with his carrying in particular.
3-2-1- ROSS-BEST-HEALY who out scrummaged their opponents as a unit and provided a solid platform for the lineouts that the championship win was built on.They even took the English apart in their own back yard.Their contribution cannot be underestimated.
COACH-SCHMIDT-Must get it considering the shambles of a set up he inherited into creating a winning mentality and game plan(s) for a championship win.I cant help feel Joes hard work starts now to replace some ageing Irish players. He did not change his starting line ups from game to game as I think he knew the most important aspect of building this Irish team was getting the winning habit back again then building from there.
I really like Lancaster though, a man who posseses real dignity and is building a good side and with the likes of Corbiserio and Tuilagi to come back in they are in the best shape of all the 6 nations considering their star turns are so young.
To Neil F- I concede you were right about the points difference debate we had earlier on in the tournament
15- BROWN-Player of the tournament by a mile and a joy to watch when we werent on the recieving end.It was one area in the whole 6 nations that each side were strong in but Brown is the pick.
14- HUGET- Just ahead of AT and performed in every game
13- BOD- Just about did enough for me in defence and attack over the last two games to get the nod though Burrell was quality and a real find in an area where they have struggled.
12-TWELVETREES- Pick of an average lot as was the most creative out of the other inside centres on view and defensively was solid.
11-NORTH-Did enough against Scotland to show he his still a class act. No other competition
10-SEXTON-Sad his worst game was against England which cost us a slam but his other performances were truely world class.
Farrell not too far behind but once again his temprament has come under scrutiny against Italy.
9-CARE-His tap and go that went missing from his game has suddenly returned which is deadly when he chooses to do it. That comes with confidence. Murray was another close call and I thought he was our MOM in Paris with his breaking and control.
8- PICAMOLES-His carrying was vital to the French cause for go forward and was badly missed against Scotland
7- ROBSHAW-Relentless work rate and doggedness and just gets the nod over Chris Henry.
6-POM- Came of age this year and his performance against the Welsh stands him out from the rest.
5- LAWES-Supremely athletic and everywhere in the loose. POC just misses out though was the usual heartbeat of the Irish pack
4- LAUNCHBERRY-England have at last found a replacement for Johnston.Outstanding and with Lawes the best pairing.Big up to Toner who I would say surprised most people with his carrying in particular.
3-2-1- ROSS-BEST-HEALY who out scrummaged their opponents as a unit and provided a solid platform for the lineouts that the championship win was built on.They even took the English apart in their own back yard.Their contribution cannot be underestimated.
COACH-SCHMIDT-Must get it considering the shambles of a set up he inherited into creating a winning mentality and game plan(s) for a championship win.I cant help feel Joes hard work starts now to replace some ageing Irish players. He did not change his starting line ups from game to game as I think he knew the most important aspect of building this Irish team was getting the winning habit back again then building from there.
I really like Lancaster though, a man who posseses real dignity and is building a good side and with the likes of Corbiserio and Tuilagi to come back in they are in the best shape of all the 6 nations considering their star turns are so young.
To Neil F- I concede you were right about the points difference debate we had earlier on in the tournament
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Jiffy has Trimble, BOD, Sexton, Heaslip, O'Mahony, Healy and Ross in his team of the tournament.
Rory and Chad mentioned in despatches.
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Teams of the tournamnet are of course as valuable as mouse droppings, how many people watched all 15 games paying ultra close attention & then rewatched them to make sure thay caught all the little things that a player like Chad does that aren't overly evident, such as grabbing Machenaud after his offload to Sexton to ensure the wee ballix wouldn't be an inconvenience to Janny.
I'd suggest as many as none, I missed the Italy France game myself so have no idea who did what in it.
It is just one buffoon's prejudiced opinion, not prejudiced by national loyalty, but by what he/she picks out of a game, what elements of a game attract their applause, what they tend to overlook.
Now having firmly rubbished notion as a calumny of little to zero value, I will pick one thing from Jizzer's "bullshite" for comment.
Stu Lancaster. For all my detestation of the English sporting race, he is someone worthy of respect. It appears to be important to him that he has players who respect their shirt & behave themselves tolerably well on and off the pitch. He has one or two, actually more, potential problem players.
Lawes, Care, Farrell, Hartley all have short fuses, of the 4 he appears to have got to Care, who from being as easy to wind up as YBY made a fine contribution to England & for himself instead of looking a wee prat he looks a decent & dangerous player.
Hartley & Lawes don't appear to have it in them not to take the cheapshot when it presents itself & Farrell is a disaster waiting to happen. His shoulder on Murray & his wrenching of that Italians head on Saturday was dangerous & he really deserves a citing for it.
Farrell will be a reason for my continued dislike of English rugby, I wonder does he get away with stuff because daddy is part of the coaching team?
Finally on Lancaster, the world owes him a debt of gratitude, whilst he has not dispensed with the bludgeon, he has produced a style of play which attracts my grudging respect for I do not want to find anything good about English rugby barring the good company of almost every Tigers fan I met when we crushed their dreams underfoot in January.
Now, if I ever write that much grudging praise of England again, somebody feckin' give me a good firm slap.
I'd suggest as many as none, I missed the Italy France game myself so have no idea who did what in it.
It is just one buffoon's prejudiced opinion, not prejudiced by national loyalty, but by what he/she picks out of a game, what elements of a game attract their applause, what they tend to overlook.
Now having firmly rubbished notion as a calumny of little to zero value, I will pick one thing from Jizzer's "bullshite" for comment.
Stu Lancaster. For all my detestation of the English sporting race, he is someone worthy of respect. It appears to be important to him that he has players who respect their shirt & behave themselves tolerably well on and off the pitch. He has one or two, actually more, potential problem players.
Lawes, Care, Farrell, Hartley all have short fuses, of the 4 he appears to have got to Care, who from being as easy to wind up as YBY made a fine contribution to England & for himself instead of looking a wee prat he looks a decent & dangerous player.
Hartley & Lawes don't appear to have it in them not to take the cheapshot when it presents itself & Farrell is a disaster waiting to happen. His shoulder on Murray & his wrenching of that Italians head on Saturday was dangerous & he really deserves a citing for it.
Farrell will be a reason for my continued dislike of English rugby, I wonder does he get away with stuff because daddy is part of the coaching team?
Finally on Lancaster, the world owes him a debt of gratitude, whilst he has not dispensed with the bludgeon, he has produced a style of play which attracts my grudging respect for I do not want to find anything good about English rugby barring the good company of almost every Tigers fan I met when we crushed their dreams underfoot in January.
Now, if I ever write that much grudging praise of England again, somebody feckin' give me a good firm slap.
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I think the way Lancaster conducts himself in the media and the way he has managed to develop the English approach is exemplary. I expect them to give the world cup a really good run next year.
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TheScore.ie has had a look at the french papers.
Interesting to see the wildly different selections for team of the tournament betwenn Midi Olympique and l'Equipe.
The former has no less than 5 welshmen, same as ireland while the latter has 7 Irish and 1 welsh.
Also in a discussion of Ireland they mention that we have a population of 4 million people.
Interesting to see the wildly different selections for team of the tournament betwenn Midi Olympique and l'Equipe.
The former has no less than 5 welshmen, same as ireland while the latter has 7 Irish and 1 welsh.
Also in a discussion of Ireland they mention that we have a population of 4 million people.
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Them's the wans in England.
From the rolling glens of Antrim through the hills of Donegal we will stand and shout for Ulster as we win both scrum and maul from the lovely lakes of Fermanagh tae the shores of ould Lough Gall we will scream and shout for Ulster as we beat them one and all!
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And what, pray, is wrong with my articulation? I'll have you know I can touch my toes without bending my knees!Shan wrote:Yeah I think it a fair enough point but perhaps not articulated in the best possible way.Scranner wrote:No spiffy. I'm saying if we had lost we would have been third and we were a penalty kick away from that. Never meant to be profound. Just to bring a little reality to the thing. Ireland team is not yet the full deal. But if you want to be a smartarse go ahead.
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