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Munster 17/18

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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Jackie Brown » Sat May 19, 2018 6:22 pm

Dave wrote:Looks like he will have to give up the game completely.
Starting to look that way, I hate this country

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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Shan » Sat May 19, 2018 6:24 pm

Munster not good enough as I suggested on the other thread. Leinster didn't even really turn up for the game and we still couldn't beat them though it meant it was closer than it should have been. Beyond the pack, who were second best for much of the day, we only have Murray, who was poor today, and Earls. The rest are plodders. Fine against what passes as opposition in most Pro14 games but against the top 2 or 3 teams in that league they look out of place. POM gave a pass in the backline at one stage that none of our backs would be capable of. That says something about POM and his ability but it says much more about our backs and especially our alleged centres.

We have no second row. Thank feck Beirne is coming. We need Cloete to stay injury free next season. We need our first choice props to do likewise.....although even that leaves us well behind Leinster with their 4 props who'd get on most international teams.
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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Shan » Sat May 19, 2018 6:48 pm

Dave wrote:Not a 10 on that pitch within a country mile of our Paddy.


Probably because the match was on in Dublin. :D
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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Liz Fraser » Sat May 19, 2018 8:21 pm

Shan wrote:Munster not good enough as I suggested on the other thread. Leinster didn't even really turn up for the game and we still couldn't beat them though it meant it was closer than it should have been. Beyond the pack, who were second best for much of the day, we only have Murray, who was poor today, and Earls. The rest are plodders. Fine against what passes as opposition in most Pro14 games but against the top 2 or 3 teams in that league they look out of place. POM gave a pass in the backline at one stage that none of our backs would be capable of. That says something about POM and his ability but it says much more about our backs and especially our alleged centres.

We have no second row. Thank feck Beirne is coming. We need Cloete to stay injury free next season. We need our first choice props to do likewise.....although even that leaves us well behind Leinster with their 4 props who'd get on most international teams.

Jeepers Shan it was a one point game!
The quality I anticipated wasn't there but why they didn't kick for goal on 68 minutes to make it a 2 point game I don't know.
Munster could have won that as Leinster were on.the come down from last week.
They should be kicking themselves right now only they'd likely miss.
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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Shan » Sat May 19, 2018 8:56 pm

Liz Fraser wrote:Jeepers Shan it was a one point game!
The quality I anticipated wasn't there but why they didn't kick for goal on 68 minutes to make it a 2 point game I don't know.
Munster could have won that as Leinster were on.the come down from last week.
They should be kicking themselves right now only they'd likely miss.


Baz, There is no excuse. If we were a top team we'd have won this as Leinster were woefully under par. One point in it alright but we were given a try which was questionable and like against Racing we closed in after the game was already over. Kleyn also should have seen red.

My looking at that decision about the penalty told me that POM was not the captain at that stage. That's a concern for me because I see him as our leader and standard bearer and along with Earls the one who kept us anyway competitive today. Something has gone wrong there over the last few weeks. Not sure if that is to do with the coaching regime or something with POM himself. He's giving 100% and IMO is still the best backrower in the country in terms of general play and impact but he looks frustrated or something.

I can't be arsed with nicey nicey now. We can compete with the mid to high rankers but we are a nice bit away from the very top. The reason for that is quite simply because we don't have enough quality players. I can't be bothered dressing it up. I want Munster to win.
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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Shan » Sat May 19, 2018 9:04 pm

Best available that is of course. SOB at his best is the best. Problem is the last time he was at his best was for the British Lions. He's had about 10 top games in 5 years or so.
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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Dave » Sat May 19, 2018 9:05 pm

Jordi is the form backrow in Europe.
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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Shan » Sun May 20, 2018 2:31 am

Dave wrote:Jordi is the form backrow in Europe.


He's in top form certainly. In overall terms - form + ability - he is behind POM and Leavy.
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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Liz Fraser » Sun May 20, 2018 8:50 am

Shan wrote:
Liz Fraser wrote:Jeepers Shan it was a one point game!
The quality I anticipated wasn't there but why they didn't kick for goal on 68 minutes to make it a 2 point game I don't know.
Munster could have won that as Leinster were on.the come down from last week.
They should be kicking themselves right now only they'd likely miss.


Baz, There is no excuse. If we were a top team we'd have won this as Leinster were woefully under par. One point in it alright but we were given a try which was questionable and like against Racing we closed in after the game was already over. Kleyn also should have seen red.

My looking at that decision about the penalty told me that POM was not the captain at that stage. That's a concern for me because I see him as our leader and standard bearer and along with Earls the one who kept us anyway competitive today. Something has gone wrong there over the last few weeks. Not sure if that is to do with the coaching regime or something with POM himself. He's giving 100% and IMO is still the best backrower in the country in terms of general play and impact but he looks frustrated or something.

I can't be arsed with nicey nicey now. We can compete with the mid to high rankers but we are a nice bit away from the very top. The reason for that is quite simply because we don't have enough quality players. I can't be bothered dressing it up. I want Munster to win.

That's where you are Shan it is what is.
100% you should have won that game and says a lot for where you are now that you didn't.
Don't be too upset though Leinster are exceptional and are raising the bar for you too follow.
Beirne will make a huge difference but I think all can see you need a quality 10 to get you to that next level.

At least you are within a tangible distance of Leinster btw and you can see what needs addressing
You should be encouraged by that.
At Ulster you wouldn't know where to even start to make us remotely competitive with Leinster under any circumstances..
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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby connachtfan » Sun May 20, 2018 2:16 pm

Jackie Brown wrote:
Dave wrote:Looks like he will have to give up the game completely.
Starting to look that way, I hate this country

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As soon as the WhatsApps msgs reached the public it was over for Paddy and Stu. Is it true that if the case had taken place in the south they would most likely still be playing for Ulster? As I understand the msgs could not be released and their names would remain undisclosed until proven guilty. Any truth to this?
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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Dave » Sun May 20, 2018 2:40 pm

connachtfan wrote:
Jackie Brown wrote:
Dave wrote:Looks like he will have to give up the game completely.
Starting to look that way, I hate this country

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As soon as the WhatsApps msgs reached the public it was over for Paddy and Stu. Is it true that if the case had taken place in the south they would most likely still be playing for Ulster? As I understand the msgs could not be released and their names would remain undisclosed until proven guilty. Any truth to this?
So PJ can never play rugby again for writing 'there was a lot of spit' on a private encrypted message?
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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Russ » Sun May 20, 2018 2:59 pm

connachtfan wrote:
Jackie Brown wrote:
Dave wrote:Looks like he will have to give up the game completely.
Starting to look that way, I hate this country

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As soon as the WhatsApps msgs reached the public it was over for Paddy and Stu. Is it true that if the case had taken place in the south they would most likely still be playing for Ulster? As I understand the msgs could not be released and their names would remain undisclosed until proven guilty. Any truth to this?
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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Jackie Brown » Sun May 20, 2018 3:02 pm

Remind me what messages did PJ sent

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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Russ » Sun May 20, 2018 3:07 pm

Jackie Brown wrote:Remind me what messages did PJ sent

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"There was a lot of spit roast last night"

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Re: Munster 17/18

Postby Jackie Brown » Sun May 20, 2018 3:11 pm

Russ wrote:
Jackie Brown wrote:Remind me what messages did PJ sent

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"There was a lot of spit roast last night"

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When's the hanging?

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