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Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby stickinout » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:01 pm

Snipe Watson wrote:
BaggyTrousers wrote:Digressing briefly to a point made by Snipe, only 2 decent 9s in Ireland, I believe that is a miserly look at things, McGrath the Mexicanbastard is given no credit whatsoever here, OK he's a Mexican and you couldn;t like one who hangs around D4 long enough, but he's better than given credit for. Reminds me of Eoin Reddan in so far as he played almost his whole career behind exceptional packs at Wasps & Mexico and was always open to "aye, right, but how would he do behind an Ulster pack circa 2017". He and Marmion are considerably better than given credit for here. Just saying like.

As you well know I'm the very embodiment of firm but fair and always give a fella a fair crack.
I agree, McGrath is very much in the Reddan mold. A solid and reliable pro, but my take on international class is a high bar that he doesn't quite reach. Marmion is also a similarly good player who along with Cooney were much of a muchness until Cooney landed with us a raised his game considerably.



Some quite ordinary players have been given international jerseys in the last ten years, in positions other than 9. I don't see how there's that much of a gap between the likes of Marmion, McGrath and our 9.
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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby Amiga500 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:04 pm

BaggyTrousers wrote:I'd take leave to call any muthafukka a liar who claimed that they have not been amazed and in a certain amount of disbelief at what John Cooney has produced. Like the virgin birth, nobody saw it cumming. I am not doing down Cooney, he's been outstanding, I am unhappy that happy coincidence makes some think that it was a FIRFU masterstroke, giving us a gem in waiting, the fact is that JC was slipping behind Blade as well as Marmion at Connacht.


I've always rated him higher than Marmion (I didn't see why he is rated so highly at all). Blade I didn't know enough about - but now I'd rate Blade higher than Marmion (I still don't see why he is rated so highly at all!).


But very (and pleasantly) surprised by Cooney's ascent, his running game is excellent. To the extent I get a bit annoyed when I continually read that "Ahh, Cooney could be Murray's understudy".

I don't think Conor Murray could have done any better - and likely would have done worse - for us last season. In my eyes, Cooney is not challenging to be lead of the supporting cast, but directly challenging Murray for the 9 jersey. Of course, Joe will see it different as Murray has a lot of credit in the bank.
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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby BaggyTrousers » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:13 pm

Dublin4 wrote:Credit where it is due.
Dave Nucifora is the mastermind and genius who got you Cooney.
Nuci is the Great Helmsman of Irish rugby steering the ship through the shoals and rocks of disaster. :duck:


Suck my Lil you wab-faced thundercunt.

Lest you think you have hit on an ingenious way to wind up Nordies, growthefuckup, I react every time just because I thoroughly enjoy swearing at Mexicanbastards, ram that sideways up yer mancunt you hateful Mexican thundercunt.

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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby BaggyTrousers » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:19 pm

rumncoke wrote:Somebody is faking a scam I didn’t post the above



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Looks as if you were monkeyed during the postprandial hiatus Ron'n, didn't know if you were blown up or stuffed. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby rumncoke » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:38 pm

I must have touched something I shouldn't
-- as the Bishop said to the Actress


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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby BaggyTrousers » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:41 pm

rumncoke wrote:I must have touched something I shouldn't
-- as the Bishop said to the Actress


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A more credible response Ron'n. :thumleft:
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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby Dave » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:36 pm

BaggyTrousers wrote:
Dublin4 wrote:Credit where it is due.
Dave Nucifora is the mastermind and genius who got you Cooney.
Nuci is the Great Helmsman of Irish rugby steering the ship through the shoals and rocks of disaster. :duck:


Suck my Lil you wab-faced thundercunt.

Lest you think you have hit on an ingenious way to wind up Nordies, growthefuckup, I react every time just because I thoroughly enjoy swearing at Mexicanbastards, ram that sideways up yer mancunt you hateful Mexican thundercunt.

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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby Bart S » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:23 pm

Firstly, a massive well done to John Cooney for his fantastic performances for Ulster so far which have surpassed everyone’s expectations. Credit for that shpuld go to him as he has clearly worked very hard and had the belief in his own ability. As someone (maybe Baggy?) said, it has worked out better than anyone would have expected.

Talk of an Ireland call up for Cooney is justified although whether he is now better than McGrath or Marmion purely as a scrum half is open to debate. If you strip out the fact that a) he plays for ulster and so we watch him every week and have a natural bias as a resukt and b) he is an excellent goal kicker. then i am not convinced he is better. Of course the goal kicking may be reason for a bench spot for ireland which is fair enough, but I am not convinced he would be a certain starter for the other provinces. He would be competing for the jersey but not necessarily nailed on.

Exeter fans would probably tell you that they would far rather have had Ian Whitten than any of our centres over the past few years (maybe Payne excepted) and some would even say they are glad they had Steenson over PJ (pre trial related stuff). However most ulster fans bemoan not having Steenson as Whitten for the SID rather than being first choice starters. Similarly i have no doubt any if the other 3 provinces would love to have Cooney but it is debatable whether he would be their starting 9 in a key match.

None if this is to undermine John Cooney or to say that he is not worthy of a chance with Ireland, but he has become invaluable to Ulster for some of the wrong reasons (chronic lack of alternatives at 9 or credibke goal kicker) as well as his own good form.
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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby Dublin4 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:47 pm

I am feeling bad about winding you up over Nucifora and Cooney and the departure of the Great One. I enjoy a good lashing from Baggy.

You were treated very poorly by the Union at the time. That's the settled view of most Leinster fans.

But when all is said and done, if a Martian landed in Ulster tomorrow and looked at what has happened, he might say that you ended up doing reasonably good business in getting Cooney who is a player with a good future ahead of him whereas Ruan doesn't realistically have much left in the tank. From the point of view of Schmidt and Nucifora, they now have another good option at scrum half, even outhalf back up.

Early days, but the same gentlemen may feel that they are going to be vindicated shifting Carbery off to Limerick.
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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby jackthelad » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:13 pm

Dublin4 wrote:Credit where it is due.
Dave Nucifora is the mastermind and genius who got you Cooney.
Nuci is the Great Helmsman of Irish rugby steering the ship through the shoals and rocks of disaster. :duck:


No he was not. Cooney arranged the move through his agent entirely on his own behalf when he heard Pienaar was being exiled. It was phuck all to do with that rat. Nucitosser wanted all those 9s that Pienaar was holding back at Ulster to take his place. i.e. None. He didn't give a ratsfux about rugby at Ulster other than to make himself even more hated than he was in Australia from whence he was rightfully booted.
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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby Cockatrice » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:26 pm

Cooney coming to Ulster was for the most part if not entirely down to one man namely Cooney. We got lucky that he wanted to come here most likely to prove a point to himself if not others within the IRFU.. In doing so he appears to have bought into what playing for the white shirt means to most Ulstermen.
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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby BaggyTrousers » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:50 pm

Dublin4 wrote:I am feeling bad about winding you up over Nucifora and Cooney and the departure of the Great One. I enjoy a good lashing from Baggy.

You were treated very poorly by the Union at the time. That's the settled view of most Leinster fans.

But when all is said and done, if a Martian landed in Ulster tomorrow and looked at what has happened, he might say that you ended up doing reasonably good business in getting Cooney who is a player with a good future ahead of him whereas Ruan doesn't realistically have much left in the tank. From the point of view of Schmidt and Nucifora, they now have another good option at scrum half, even outhalf back up.

Early days, but the same gentlemen may feel that they are going to be vindicated shifting Carbery off to Limerick.


OK, now that you are attempting to be other than a WUM, a considered response.

There is sense there, HOWEVER, as others have told you, I don't doubt that Cooney joining Ulster may well have crossed the minds of the gruesome twosome in D4, however, it is public knowledge that Cooney himself was the prime mover in seizing an opportunity. This was not Nucifora planning, this was an ambitious player, no nipper at this point, taking what for him was probably the last chance to make a name for himself.

Grabbed it with both hands and we are all greatly relieved that Nucifora's actions have been less disastrous than most expected. That is all entirely down to John Cooney, SFA to do with the hateful & hated Australian scumbeg.

That it has worked out very well for both Cooney & Ulster is marvellous, that Cooney obviously has potentially many more years in him that Ruan is beyond argument, none of this, however, makes one iota of difference to the absolute fact that Pienaar's treatment by Nucibastard and the FIRFU was disgraceful given his contribution and the fact that he showed incredible loyalty to Ulster, including ignoring huge financial reward to move on.

As we know, Nucifora remains the only rugby coach in history to have been sacked after winning Super Rugby, his players hated him so much they got together and said, he goes or we go. Tells you a lot about the man, I hope he dies very very soon, he'll never get one back pat from me no matter what happens at the hated FIRFU.
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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby Russ » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:17 pm

Dublin4 wrote:I am feeling bad about winding you up over Nucifora and Cooney and the departure of the Great One. I enjoy a good lashing from Baggy.

You were treated very poorly by the Union at the time. That's the settled view of most Leinster fans.

But when all is said and done, if a Martian landed in Ulster tomorrow and looked at what has happened, he might say that you ended up doing reasonably good business in getting Cooney who is a player with a good future ahead of him whereas Ruan doesn't realistically have much left in the tank. From the point of view of Schmidt and Nucifora, they now have another good option at scrum half, even outhalf back up.

Early days, but the same gentlemen may feel that they are going to be vindicated shifting Carbery off to Limerick.
I saw a thread today where a munt langer had asked where Carberry would be if he stayed in NZ

General consensus was he wouldn't have survived schools rugby and definitely wouldn't have made Mitre 10

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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby Dave » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:21 pm

I'm getting tired of the John Cooney has done well analysis.
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Re: Southern Kings v Ulster Sun 16th Sep 1:15pm

Postby CIMANFOREVER » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:24 pm

Dave wrote:
BaggyTrousers wrote:
Dublin4 wrote:Credit where it is due.
Dave Nucifora is the mastermind and genius who got you Cooney.
Nuci is the Great Helmsman of Irish rugby steering the ship through the shoals and rocks of disaster. :duck:


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You're welcome. :D


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