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Re: You're a battering ram who can't pass

Postby Snipe Watson » Fri May 11, 2018 9:32 pm

kingofthehill wrote:Need a ball player in the backline,Stu is not a ball player.


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Re: You're a battering ram who can't pass

Postby breakdown » Fri May 11, 2018 10:14 pm

kingofthehill wrote:Need a ball player in the backline,Stu is not a ball player.


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Re: You're a battering ram who can't pass

Postby Dave » Fri May 11, 2018 10:20 pm

It's a pity we gave two away.
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Re: You're a battering ram who can't pass

Postby Russ » Fri May 11, 2018 10:52 pm

Snipe Watson wrote:
kingofthehill wrote:Need a ball player in the backline,Stu is not a ball player.


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Re: You're a battering ram who can't pass

Postby Snipe Watson » Fri May 11, 2018 11:01 pm

Russ wrote:
Snipe Watson wrote:
kingofthehill wrote:Need a ball player in the backline,Stu is not a ball player.


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Christian Lealiifano is a ball player by the way.

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He needs a break before the Super knockout stages. Although Brumbies are a long shot for making it out of the groups.
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Re: You're a battering ram who can't pass

Postby rumncoke » Sat May 12, 2018 10:06 am

Come on give the guy a break ' Not a ball player "

What he does he does well, but he has never really been asked or expected to be a ball player at Ulster .

He has been used as a first phase ball carrier, not necessarily as first phase first receiver . N.B. if the defence has been given sufficient time to reform across the pitch, whether you are on the first play or 21 first play, you can still be in first phase mode.

The problem then arises the backline play becomes predictable and marked ensuring that the opposition either slow the recycle or force a non release of the ball if Mccloskey fails to get over the gain with support.

Ulster's other problem is that Luke Marshall is also an inside centre who is a ball player but is less effective at getting the ball to the gain line but has the ability to make the backline play less predictable but being an inside centre, when playing outside centre, he has never fully developed the timing of a pass to his wings either to soon or too late. Stockdale has scored trys but few have been scored from a pass made by Luke Marshall.
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Re: You're a battering ram who can't pass

Postby Russ » Sat May 12, 2018 11:16 am

rumncoke wrote:Come on give the guy a break ' Not a ball player "

What he does he does well, but he has never really been asked or expected to be a ball player at Ulster .

He has been used as a first phase ball carrier, not necessarily as first phase first receiver . N.B. if the defence has been given sufficient time to reform across the pitch, whether you are on the first play or 21 first play, you can still be in first phase mode.

The problem then arises the backline play becomes predictable and marked ensuring that the opposition either slow the recycle or force a non release of the ball if Mccloskey fails to get over the gain with support.

Ulster's other problem is that Luke Marshall is also an inside centre who is a ball player but is less effective at getting the ball to the gain line but has the ability to make the backline play less predictable but being an inside centre, when playing outside centre, he has never fully developed the timing of a pass to his wings either to soon or too late. Stockdale has scored trys but few have been scored from a pass made by Luke Marshall.
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Re: You're a battering ram who can't pass

Postby jean valjean » Sat May 12, 2018 2:50 pm

Big stu does what he does well. Everyone expected olding to have a higher ceiling but in all honesty delivered very little for Ulster taking his horrific injury profile into account. If we produce a pack of forwards to tie in back rows better I expect stu to become the mainstay at 12. We'd have been much worse off without him these last 2 seasons.

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Re: You're a battering ram who can't pass

Postby rumncoke » Sat May 12, 2018 4:37 pm

UR PR would never admit Ulster are predictable .


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Re: You're a battering ram who can't pass

Postby BaggyTrousers » Sat May 12, 2018 9:15 pm

kingofthehill wrote:Need a ball player in the backline,Stu is not a ball player.


100%, he is a decent player in certain circumstances and we know there are coaches who have a hard-on for big blundering carriers, usually, a smattering of ball playing talent means that player is valuable. I am convinced Big Stu is coached to take no chances, to simply make his yards and protect and present the ball.

As we know that is all well and good if you then have Marcell Coetzee arriving to murder any clown who would think of poaching the ball and carrying it on himself, but sadly we have played the best part of 45 games without him over the last 2 seasons.

I have no absolute dislike of either Big Stu or NHL as players, just as a partnership where they struggle to have a creative bone between them.

I remain convinced that either one of them would fair better with Cave as a partner and in NHL's case that would be Cave at 12 ........for he'd never touch the ball at 13.
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Re: You're a battering ram who can't pass

Postby Snipe Watson » Sat May 12, 2018 9:26 pm

BaggyTrousers wrote:
kingofthehill wrote:Need a ball player in the backline,Stu is not a ball player.


100%, he is a decent player in certain circumstances and we know there are coaches who have a hard-on for big blundering carriers, usually, a smattering of ball playing talent means that player is valuable. I am convinced Big Stu is coached to take no chances, to simply make his yards and protect and present the ball.

As we know that is all well and good if you then have Marcell Coetzee arriving to murder any clown who would think of poaching the ball and carrying it on himself, but sadly we have played the best part of 45 games without him over the last 2 seasons.

I have no absolute dislike of either Big Stu or NHL as players, just as a partnership where they struggle to have a creative bone between them.

I remain convinced that either one of them would fair better with Cave as a partner and in NHL's case that would be Cave at 12 ........for he'd never touch the ball at 13.

It's not that long ago that NHL was more than decent inside O'Driscoll for Ireland. I have always thought 12 should be his position, but he would need to rediscover the form he had before the concussions. Could be a confidence thing.
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