The State of English Rugby

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I would encourage them to preserve the status quo.

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more high-fiving urgently needed. Was Itoje even on the pitch on Saturday?
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stirlingwing wrote:more high-fiving urgently needed. Was Itoje even on the pitch on Saturday?
They didn't win enough scrum pens to properly show off his high-fiving skills. And the one I remember they showed the overhead cam of Vunipola at 90 degrees as that spoon Dallaglio says "Ireland clearly boring in there".

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sure dally doesn't know if his Brennan is punched or bored.
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stirlingwing wrote:more high-fiving urgently needed. Was Itoje even on the pitch on Saturday?
He's too tired from high fiving to high five any more
Only lawes has more high 5s this season

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Basically to smug for their own good .

Too many teams of similar quality and the funding is so reliant on TV and private investors that the player base is distorted .

Internationally their mid field 5 back row are slow in pace and thinking because the English game is based on bulk not brains . Big pack to suck the defence in field and then get the ball to the wing to score in the corner .

The two try’s scored by England on Saturday are typical of their game - well executed but predictable .

Ireland have as option at centre Henshaw , Aki, Farrell , Ringrose , McCloskey , Marshall , Arnold , Scannell , - Olding and while the English press get’ hot and wet ‘ over Farrell to be honest, any of those listed are as good and some better than him .

Farrell’s rating is based on his place kicking not his contribution as a centre and his contribution as a centre is based on his ability to kick the ball into space for his wingers .

The English game at Club and International level is based on a bulky front row and Second row fast wings and ball retention when facing teams who play a XV man game they are slow to the breakdown and lack the time to reset the defence if the opposition get the ball wide .

Their International team pays the price of Clubs putting money before players .

The first three in 6 nations belong to Pro 12/14 simply because a lack of both playing resources and Finance means the teams rely on their Unions and the Revenue from the Internationals helps to finance the teams .







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Deraless wrote:
stirlingwing wrote:more high-fiving urgently needed. Was Itoje even on the pitch on Saturday?
They didn't win enough scrum pens to properly show off his high-fiving skills. And the one I remember they showed the overhead cam of Vunipola at 90 degrees as that spoon Dallaglio says "Ireland clearly boring in there".

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Dayglo said the call was correct just as they showed the overhead clip. Then he went quiet. He probably pretended to drop his pen.
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Dave wrote:Dayglo said the call was correct just as they showed the overhead clip. Then he went quiet. He probably pretended to drop his pen.
That was actually very funny, was almost as if the sound had broken down :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Dave wrote:Dayglo said the call was correct just as they showed the overhead clip. Then he went quiet. He probably pretended to drop his pen.
The classic BT Sport commentary

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Problems with English rugby go back to 1995 when professionalism kicked in.
It made no real differences to the SH as they already were all but professional by name but England and France didn't centrally contract their players and the club's hoovered the players up.
The club's have the power and the only interest of the owners were getting their penny's worth out of the player with no interest in the national game.
If England had split into regions which they did have and we did, it may have helped.

The problems also run deeper than that.
English coaching systems go from the top to the bottom with currently Eddie Jones being appointed as God or Buddha.
His disciples are several thousand coaches encouraging the same styles and the same systems from top to bottom which is all about generally size and bosh.
Irelands is more a reverse of that particularly Leinster where it's built from grass roots up and skills and ingenuity are encouraged.

If England and France ever got it right on numbers alone we couldn't compete.
But with the amount of players at their disposal and they still feel they have to import players from elsewhere you know there's huge problems there.
And there's no quick fixes.
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Decent summation, Lovely. It has always been that way. No way of pulling together the best from a huge playing population, amusingly they operate the same policy of players not being selected if not in the boshiership as Ireland do. Which is funny because clearly they know they have things wrong, it’s just that there is nothing much they can do about it.

Most amusing. That nice Mr Lancaster must be wearing a smirk.
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Good post, baz.
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France was professional before professionalism too.
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BR wrote:France was professional before professionalism too.
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