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Bring Humph On!! wrote:We need a back up 9 & 10. McPhillips shows potential. I don’t know enough about him, but Lowry is getting rave reviews from some on here. To help take a bit of pressure off these young lads, an experienced 10 is required. Keatley fits the bill of being experienced. He is more than capable of playing through the PRO14 season. He is not nor would be my 1st choice but neither would Jantjies.

In the current circumstances I’d settle for Keatley. He isn’t going to hold back the development of the 2 young lads & it will save of us wasting a NIQ on a non world class signing.

An element of pragmatism needs to be used by Bryn.

I concur with this but i think Bryn can use it as a leverage to get something for the pack. How will we get another 9 when we have shanananannanahan? Unless we can get someone who could cover 9 and 10.......... Can't think of anyone of the top of my head who could do that, knows our ways and loves to get stuck into a bag of Tayto........... I'm sure there's someone out there who could do the job.......

From what I hear from my D4 source Bryn is very much under the IRFU spotlight at the moment indeed it may be impacting on other departures.. so his leverage may be weaker.
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Bring Humph On!! wrote:We need a back up 9 & 10. McPhillips shows potential. I don’t know enough about him, but Lowry is getting rave reviews from some on here. To help take a bit of pressure off these young lads, an experienced 10 is required. Keatley fits the bill of being experienced. He is more than capable of playing through the PRO14 season. He is not nor would be my 1st choice but neither would Jantjies.

In the current circumstances I’d settle for Keatley. He isn’t going to hold back the development of the 2 young lads & it will save of us wasting a NIQ on a non world class signing.

An element of pragmatism needs to be used by Bryn.

I concur with this but i think Bryn can use it as a leverage to get something for the pack. How will we get another 9 when we have shanananannanahan? Unless we can get someone who could cover 9 and 10.......... Can't think of anyone of the top of my head who could do that, knows our ways and loves to get stuck into a bag of Tayto........... I'm sure there's someone out there who could do the job.......

From what I hear from my D4 source Bryn is very much under the IRFU spotlight at the moment indeed it may be impacting on other departures.. so his leverage may be weaker.
I certainly hope you are not insinuating that thoughts about Bryn are keeping Logan in a job
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Bring Humph On!! wrote:We need a back up 9 & 10. McPhillips shows potential. I don’t know enough about him, but Lowry is getting rave reviews from some on here. To help take a bit of pressure off these young lads, an experienced 10 is required. Keatley fits the bill of being experienced. He is more than capable of playing through the PRO14 season. He is not nor would be my 1st choice but neither would Jantjies.

In the current circumstances I’d settle for Keatley. He isn’t going to hold back the development of the 2 young lads & it will save of us wasting a NIQ on a non world class signing.

An element of pragmatism needs to be used by Bryn.

I concur with this but i think Bryn can use it as a leverage to get something for the pack. How will we get another 9 when we have shanananannanahan? Unless we can get someone who could cover 9 and 10.......... Can't think of anyone of the top of my head who could do that, knows our ways and loves to get stuck into a bag of Tayto........... I'm sure there's someone out there who could do the job.......

From what I hear from my D4 source Bryn is very much under the IRFU spotlight at the moment indeed it may be impacting on other departures.. so his leverage may be weaker.
Is there anyone in HQ who have Ulster's interest at heart? I doubt it. How much does provincialism play in the decision making of the IRFU in general? I'm talking at a individual basis. Let' s face it, there has to be some bias depending on who is wielding the power. If you're a Leinster man at the top and a difficult 50 50 decision comes up between damaging or enhancing your province, do you go for the decision for the greater good? Doubt it. For example, this homegrown policy that Nucifuhrer brought in, was it devised solely by him? Who does it benefit? The Ireland team benefit for sure but also the province with the big population base and good academy would be my answer. Now i know they supply a majority of the players for the Ireland team, and so it could be argued it's detrimental to Leinster on international windows . Munster, Ulster and Connacht have struggled with academies and comprehensive quotas of decent homegrown players, when have we had a decent homegrown pack, when have Munster have a decent homegrown back line? . Have Leinster had these problems? Nope, not on yer Nelly. I guess, what i'm saying is, should the provinces treatment be on an equal basis? Should it be turned up or down depending on how their performing?

We got a real good dig out the time the Dr took over, he got the big marquee signings he wanted, he got the support he needed from the IRFU, we succeeded. Does it look like we're getting support from them now? Does it feck.

If what you say is true Cocker, then he should show them his balls and say f@ck off, we'll deal with it ourselves even if it means throwing the young lads into the deep end next year. Though, if that decision goes t1ts up, then he'll have to go back to them with cap in hand. Having two masters must be a pain in the Ar5e....
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Fleg be careful using slanderous terminology

Because the fact is your one who is actually making something of it methinks you sing too loud to be wholesome .

While I dislike interference from Dublin they could be on the ball .

Unlike Ruan he would be blocking a pathway for possibly 2 or three players who might come through in 12 months .

Ulster’s need is a short term one hopefully but the fact remains better options maybe available after the WC if we still need an outhalf .

The fact is wee Joey hasn’t the game for a professional out half
he’s the Dublin equivalent of Paddy Wallace — lots of skill but like a jigsaw with two pieces missing .


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Bring Humph On!! wrote:We need a back up 9 & 10. McPhillips shows potential. I don’t know enough about him, but Lowry is getting rave reviews from some on here. To help take a bit of pressure off these young lads, an experienced 10 is required. Keatley fits the bill of being experienced. He is more than capable of playing through the PRO14 season. He is not nor would be my 1st choice but neither would Jantjies.

In the current circumstances I’d settle for Keatley. He isn’t going to hold back the development of the 2 young lads & it will save of us wasting a NIQ on a non world class signing.

An element of pragmatism needs to be used by Bryn.

I concur with this but i think Bryn can use it as a leverage to get something for the pack. How will we get another 9 when we have shanananannanahan? Unless we can get someone who could cover 9 and 10.......... Can't think of anyone of the top of my head who could do that, knows our ways and loves to get stuck into a bag of Tayto........... I'm sure there's someone out there who could do the job.......

From what I hear from my D4 source Bryn is very much under the IRFU spotlight at the moment indeed it may be impacting on other departures.. so his leverage may be weaker.

Cockers, i read that again. Do you mean Bryn in his role has led to more players deciding to leave, e.g. Trimble, Diack, etc? Or do you mean coaches/staff end of things?
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rumncoke wrote:Fleg be careful using slanderous terminology

Because the fact is your one who is actually making something of it methinks you sing too loud to be wholesome .

While I dislike interference from Dublin they could be on the ball .

Unlike Ruan he would be blocking a pathway for possibly 2 or three players who might come through in 12 months .

Ulster’s need is a short term one hopefully but the fact remains better options maybe available after the WC if we still need an outhalf .

The fact is wee Joey hasn’t the game for a professional out half
he’s the Dublin equivalent of Paddy Wallace — lots of skill but like a jigsaw with two pieces missing .


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I don't think he's played enough at 10 for that decision to be made yet. He needs to make his mind up where he wants to play. I'd think more of wee Joey if he told JS, " thanks but no thanks, i want to play 15. If that stops me going to the world cup as no.2 out half then so be it."

Our 10s will not be ready in one year to be serious players at Super Duper cup level IMO. It took PJ 4 or 5 years to get to that level, and he had an abundance of raw talent. So in my opinion, our problem at 10 is not short term, it's a 2 or 3 year problem at least. I hope UR are thinking along the same lines.
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Bring Humph On!! wrote:We need a back up 9 & 10. McPhillips shows potential. I don’t know enough about him, but Lowry is getting rave reviews from some on here. To help take a bit of pressure off these young lads, an experienced 10 is required. Keatley fits the bill of being experienced. He is more than capable of playing through the PRO14 season. He is not nor would be my 1st choice but neither would Jantjies.

In the current circumstances I’d settle for Keatley. He isn’t going to hold back the development of the 2 young lads & it will save of us wasting a NIQ on a non world class signing.

An element of pragmatism needs to be used by Bryn.

I concur with this but i think Bryn can use it as a leverage to get something for the pack. How will we get another 9 when we have shanananannanahan? Unless we can get someone who could cover 9 and 10.......... Can't think of anyone of the top of my head who could do that, knows our ways and loves to get stuck into a bag of Tayto........... I'm sure there's someone out there who could do the job.......

From what I hear from my D4 source Bryn is very much under the IRFU spotlight at the moment indeed it may be impacting on other departures.. so his leverage may be weaker.
I certainly hope you are not insinuating that thoughts about Bryn are keeping Logan in a job

I wouldn't put it past Liar Logan to be besmirching the name of his colleagues, especially as there's plenty of rumour that his end is nigh. I think we know a bit of the character of this man, and he would be the type to stick the dagger right between yer shoulder blades if it meant he lived for another day. Bryn needs to be watching his back....
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Cockatrice wrote:
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Bring Humph On!! wrote:We need a back up 9 & 10. McPhillips shows potential. I don’t know enough about him, but Lowry is getting rave reviews from some on here. To help take a bit of pressure off these young lads, an experienced 10 is required. Keatley fits the bill of being experienced. He is more than capable of playing through the PRO14 season. He is not nor would be my 1st choice but neither would Jantjies.

In the current circumstances I’d settle for Keatley. He isn’t going to hold back the development of the 2 young lads & it will save of us wasting a NIQ on a non world class signing.

An element of pragmatism needs to be used by Bryn.

I concur with this but i think Bryn can use it as a leverage to get something for the pack. How will we get another 9 when we have shanananannanahan? Unless we can get someone who could cover 9 and 10.......... Can't think of anyone of the top of my head who could do that, knows our ways and loves to get stuck into a bag of Tayto........... I'm sure there's someone out there who could do the job.......

From what I hear from my D4 source Bryn is very much under the IRFU spotlight at the moment indeed it may be impacting on other departures.. so his leverage may be weaker.

Cockers, i read that again. Do you mean Bryn in his role has led to more players deciding to leave, e.g. Trimble, Diack, etc? Or do you mean coaches/staff end of things?
No Bryn is not causing players to leave... but he is himself under the D4 microscope and he didn’t come out of the new coach announcement very well especially when it was then leaked by someone :stir:

If not mistaken the CEO was very quick to ensure we all knew that appointement was all down to Bryn and the PMC in fact it seems everyone but him.
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Keatly has had a decent season for Munster and played a key role in them making 2 semi finals this season. Yes, he is not a guy who is going to win you trophies, but let’s look at where ulster are right now.

McPhillips finished the season well, but with Cooney away at the start of next season there is a real chance we shall start with Shanahan beside him. How will he perform then? There may be times with Shanahan there that the experienced head of someone like Keatley is what we need.

There will not be pressure to play him if McPhillips is going well whereas once Carberry returns from international resting there would be irfu pressure to play him at 10regardless. I don’t know if he will turn into a decent ten (Carberry) but he won’t become one playing the odd game against the Italians or the Kings and the IRfU know that. If he goes to Munster and Bleyendaal gets fit then Munster may face the same issue about being forced to give Carberry game time at 10.

For what Ulster need and to encourage the development of their 10’s i would take Keatley over Hanrahan or Carberry. Keatley’s “problem” has been never being top class, but he could do a job for us and also allow mcphillips and co an opportunity withiut heaping all of the pressure onto the youngsters in such an important position.
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The difference in the Paddy who played in the Cup in May and the one who came out in Sept was enormous -- due to a summer practicing with the ball in hand rather than fitness training .

If they a fit and uninjured at the end of the season a couple of weeks should be enough to bring back to match fitness provided they are relatively careful .

Paddy had the determination and the ability to improve and he put in the work on his skills it took a year + to gain the experience .

The IRFU will regret giving in to the self righteous harpies who where clueless as to the nature of the claimant .The players being under the influence to a greater extent than normal failed to recognise the danger she posed .

I 'm not saying they're saints but they are not rapists nor are misogynists
just young guys trying to avoid the responsibilities of marriage and fatherhood as long as possible the fact that three woman left the house with never having any worry about their safety is evidence they were never a threat to any self respecting woman .

That fact was never a consideration in the rush to over throw the verdict of the court .



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"Our 10s will not be ready in one year to be serious players at Super Duper cup level IMO. It took PJ 4 or 5 years to get to that level, and he had an abundance of raw talent. So in my opinion, our problem at 10 is not short term, it's a 2 or 3 year problem at least. I hope UR are thinking along the same lines."

The point is that our team as a whole won't be ready in a year to be competitive in the SDC, so why not let the kids loose. McP. is showing up well already, and both Lowry and Curtis are older than Paddy was when he was brought into the team. Lowry, as we have heard , is rated highly by Bryn and the coaches, one of which told me he is already better than Paddy was when he was selected for the Heiny final. If we can get a good, experienced NIQ 10, then he could help to further the progress of the young'uns. But if we're only allowed Keatley, then we should sorry but tell the IRFU we'll manage ok with our own.
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stickinout wrote:
Cockatrice wrote:
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Bring Humph On!! wrote:We need a back up 9 & 10. McPhillips shows potential. I don’t know enough about him, but Lowry is getting rave reviews from some on here. To help take a bit of pressure off these young lads, an experienced 10 is required. Keatley fits the bill of being experienced. He is more than capable of playing through the PRO14 season. He is not nor would be my 1st choice but neither would Jantjies.

In the current circumstances I’d settle for Keatley. He isn’t going to hold back the development of the 2 young lads & it will save of us wasting a NIQ on a non world class signing.

An element of pragmatism needs to be used by Bryn.

I concur with this but i think Bryn can use it as a leverage to get something for the pack. How will we get another 9 when we have shanananannanahan? Unless we can get someone who could cover 9 and 10.......... Can't think of anyone of the top of my head who could do that, knows our ways and loves to get stuck into a bag of Tayto........... I'm sure there's someone out there who could do the job.......

From what I hear from my D4 source Bryn is very much under the IRFU spotlight at the moment indeed it may be impacting on other departures.. so his leverage may be weaker.

Cockers, i read that again. Do you mean Bryn in his role has led to more players deciding to leave, e.g. Trimble, Diack, etc? Or do you mean coaches/staff end of things?
No Bryn is not causing players to leave... but he is himself under the D4 microscope and he didn’t come out of the new coach announcement very well especially when it was then leaked by someone :stir:

If not mistaken the CEO was very quick to ensure we all knew that appointement was all down to Bryn and the PMC in fact it seems everyone but him.
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Any idea when Bryn started going under the microscope? was it from the time of the leak?

I've said it before, i think it's just too much of a coincidence with Slogan about the PMC, especially the naming of Bryn. Something was choreographed there.... Classic diversion tactics. If the sh1t is coming down on someone else, it's not coming down on me, springs to mind.
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stickinout wrote:
Cockatrice wrote:
stickinout wrote:
Cockatrice wrote:
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I concur with this but i think Bryn can use it as a leverage to get something for the pack. How will we get another 9 when we have shanananannanahan? Unless we can get someone who could cover 9 and 10.......... Can't think of anyone of the top of my head who could do that, knows our ways and loves to get stuck into a bag of Tayto........... I'm sure there's someone out there who could do the job.......

From what I hear from my D4 source Bryn is very much under the IRFU spotlight at the moment indeed it may be impacting on other departures.. so his leverage may be weaker.

Cockers, i read that again. Do you mean Bryn in his role has led to more players deciding to leave, e.g. Trimble, Diack, etc? Or do you mean coaches/staff end of things?
No Bryn is not causing players to leave... but he is himself under the D4 microscope and he didn’t come out of the new coach announcement very well especially when it was then leaked by someone :stir:

If not mistaken the CEO was very quick to ensure we all knew that appointement was all down to Bryn and the PMC in fact it seems everyone but him.
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Any idea when Bryn started going under the microscope? was it from the time of the leak?

I've said it before, i think it's just too much of a coincidence with Slogan about the PMC, especially the naming of Bryn. Something was choreographed there.... Classic diversion tactics. If the sh1t is coming down on someone else, it's not coming down on me, springs to mind.
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Gary wrote:"Our 10s will not be ready in one year to be serious players at Super Duper cup level IMO. It took PJ 4 or 5 years to get to that level, and he had an abundance of raw talent. So in my opinion, our problem at 10 is not short term, it's a 2 or 3 year problem at least. I hope UR are thinking along the same lines."

The point is that our team as a whole won't be ready in a year to be competitive in the SDC, so why not let the kids loose. McP. is showing up well already, and both Lowry and Curtis are older than Paddy was when he was brought into the team. Lowry, as we have heard , is rated highly by Bryn and the coaches, one of which told me he is already better than Paddy was when he was selected for the Heiny final. If we can get a good, experienced NIQ 10, then he could help to further the progress of the young'uns. But if we're only allowed Keatley, then we should sorry but tell the IRFU we'll manage ok with our own.

Yeah Gary, i agree with most of your sentiments here. Maybe one thing UR have done in the last wane of years is to come to the wrong decision over young players and cut them loose. Over the years we've offloaded a pile of players who could be helping us right now. Whitten springs to mind. The solid dependable sort who'd go through walls for Ulster. I'm all for rebuilding with Ulster/Irish players, even if it takes us 3 years to get to a seriously competitive level. I said it before, I'd be delighted with an all Ulster squad even if it meant we only had a serious team every 10 years. I'd be more interested in seeing local lads playing and following how they develop/improve rather than watching a bunch of Daves from God knows where and trying to work out are they here to become one of us or are they here to do the least possible amount of work to pick up the cheque.

I guess what i'm saying if there's 3 or 4 young ones that look like they might make it, then maybe we don't need an NIQ 10 at all?. Maybe what we need is a coach with lots of out half coaching experience/playing experience. I'd be happy for PJ to be brought in (until he gets a playing contract) to train them up. I'd say he'd do it in his sleep, and he gets a bit of employment out of it. Win win scenario. Mind you, we might have to pay him into his hand......
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Rooster,
Never a truer word said. I don't know the man but I know integrity, honesty, humility are not attributes he possesses.

How did he get that job? Was he the Dr's man?
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