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It was inadmissible because the prosecution never claimed the claimant was of good character .
Heard her photo on face book were worth looking at but couldn’t be used in evidence
And to be honest the defence never went after her, only set out to show her allegation was rubbish .
You don’t attack the character of the daughter of a fellow professional— not done period
It is noticeable that Toby claimed the trial was only « warranted «
the « « being identified by the bellylaugh , rather than « justified « which would the normal description of a charge .
Because the fact is the trial was never warranted given that there was a witness who stated that what was occurring was consensual even if it was different to what she thought it was and stated .
Similarly 4 girls were guest in the house that night 3 self respecting girls left that house un afraid and unmolested , one even stayed overnight .
The jury were meant to accept that Paddy went into his bedroom and physically assaulted the claimant with the foreknowledge that a girl
he had never met before wouldn’t scream the house down with at least 8 witnesses - his brother and girlfriend were in the rooms above .
Warranted ???
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Heard her photo on face book were worth looking at but couldn’t be used in evidence
And to be honest the defence never went after her, only set out to show her allegation was rubbish .
You don’t attack the character of the daughter of a fellow professional— not done period
It is noticeable that Toby claimed the trial was only « warranted «
the « « being identified by the bellylaugh , rather than « justified « which would the normal description of a charge .
Because the fact is the trial was never warranted given that there was a witness who stated that what was occurring was consensual even if it was different to what she thought it was and stated .
Similarly 4 girls were guest in the house that night 3 self respecting girls left that house un afraid and unmolested , one even stayed overnight .
The jury were meant to accept that Paddy went into his bedroom and physically assaulted the claimant with the foreknowledge that a girl
he had never met before wouldn’t scream the house down with at least 8 witnesses - his brother and girlfriend were in the rooms above .
Warranted ???
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Reading all that just makes the behaviour of UR and the IRFU even more unacceptable!
From the rolling glens of Antrim through the hills of Donegal we will stand and shout for Ulster as we win both scrum and maul from the lovely lakes of Fermanagh tae the shores of ould Lough Gall we will scream and shout for Ulster as we beat them one and all!
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Because his ill judged comments like Paddy, Stu and Gilly's should never have seen the light of day.Dave wrote:Why wasn't Harry Hewitt sacked for racist comments?
Answer: it's hilarious when the Royals are racist.
I like Harry. Strikes me as a good lad.
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He made a mistake. He was criticised. He apologised and was forgiven.Snipe Watson wrote:Because his ill judged comments like Paddy, Stu and Gilly's should never have seen the light of day.Dave wrote:Why wasn't Harry Hewitt sacked for racist comments?
Answer: it's hilarious when the Royals are racist.
I like Harry. Strikes me as a good lad.
That is a proportionate response.
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Harry is a top shagger
Shame he's ingerland til he dies
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He bloody is.Russ wrote:Harry is a top shagger
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Like his mum.
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I don't think there is any need for the general public to examine further w.r.t. the charges against the 4. That is what the courts are for.Cockatrice wrote:BR wrote:It was not relevant.Cockatrice wrote:so why was the bouncers evidence not accepted? presumably identified by both sides.. so what he did or didn't see was accepted by both and not included.
Something that demonstrates that while we may be well informed about the various testimonies and theories of barristers at the trial, and while some of us may think we know other tidbits of detail, there will be things that happened that were not part of the prosecution or defence cases of which we are unaware.
We don't know the whole story. And some seem to forget that the IRFU knows more about those events than we do.
BR ... putting it out there for discussion and yes agree some suggest to be well informed on all the facts ... hence if the press tell the story then we and others will be able to make up our own minds whether that information was admissible in court or not. I think it challange the opinions of those that claim they know it all..
As for other activities which may or may not have occurred around the same time, I'd prefer the press would leave private matters as just that. Enough people have had their lives turned upside down by these events without more voyueristic accounts to tittilate and enrage the masses.
While, for example, I would love to be better informed on the justification of the IRFU's actions (and particularly their proportionality), I will accept that it's simply none of my fūcking business compared to those whose private lives are likely to be dragged through the dirt.
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The toilet incident is roughly as relevant as the other blood on PJs sheets. Both things suggest they may have previous in sexual encounters* that some may decree untoward, but are naff all to do with whether or not consent was granted that night.
* The blood may have been something as simple as a rugby injury but the defence opted not to comment
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I see Joey is taking the easy kicks but asking Byrne to take anything more difficult than a sitter
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Now if the Bouncer had seen a bit of manual being received by the claimant it would have been relevant .
Since it would have cast a major doubt about the injuries although self harming can not be ruled out .
Being more common between 12-24 and more common among girls , but as stated previously the QC for the defence didn't want to demean the claimant only rubbish her evidence .
This approach of course provided the #Ibelieverhers the umbesmirched focus to attack the defendants .
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Since it would have cast a major doubt about the injuries although self harming can not be ruled out .
Being more common between 12-24 and more common among girls , but as stated previously the QC for the defence didn't want to demean the claimant only rubbish her evidence .
This approach of course provided the #Ibelieverhers the umbesmirched focus to attack the defendants .
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Jesus JC is a horrendous kicker
Just shanked one
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JC totally anonymous in defence
McGrath and Byrne seem to be sharing full back duties
He runs away from garryowens
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Like the WhatsApp messages? The BJ in Ollie's is as relevant as the WhatsApp messages that have been used to destroy their careers.ColinM wrote:The toilet incident is roughly as relevant as the other blood on PJs sheets. Both things suggest they may have previous in sexual encounters* that some may decree untoward, but are naff all to do with whether or not consent was granted that night.
* The blood may have been something as simple as a rugby injury but the defence opted not to comment
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The wassups were regarding the incident in question. Note no other wassups were read out in court, I'm sure the PSNI had access to other material not related to the night in question which would have been deemed inadmissible
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But no one denied sex happened. The WhatsApps didn't offer any evidence towards it being concensual. They were used entirely to destroy their characters.ColinM wrote:The wassups were regarding the incident in question. Note no other wassups were read out in court, I'm sure the PSNI had access to other material not related to the night in question which would have been deemed inadmissible
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