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Logan must go

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Re: Logan must go

Postby Bart S » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:18 am

Ulster employs a soft tissue therapist?

We should be telling them that there will be no more Andrex in trap 2 at Spanners. They barely deserve the Tesco own brand rough stuff.
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Re: Logan must go

Postby big mervyn » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:23 am

Bart S wrote:Ulster employs a soft tissue therapist?


Send her round to Rum's house >EW
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Re: Logan must go

Postby Bart S » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:26 am

If we need a DOR of any description then it should patently not be Gibbes at this stage. If it is we get a guy with zero experience for the role and doesn’t even seem to want to deal with what would probably be a fair chunk of the job spec.

He deserves a fair crack at the coaching job, but for all Kiss’s faults, i have not heard many stories on here of him having undermined Gibbes and a serious breakdown in relations between the two. It is up to Jonno to deliver now.

Have to say that i am not convinced that we should be achieving far better results - more a case of winning games more easily than we have done and turning over the odd result like Zebre away and maybe Dragons, as well as not capitulating away from home like we have, albeit still not winning thise games, I still think at best we have a team capable of a couple more wins than we have achieved this season, but not much more.
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Re: Logan must go

Postby solidarity » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:56 am

Bart S wrote:Ulster employs a soft tissue therapist?

We should be telling them that there will be no more Andrex in trap 2 at Spanners. They barely deserve the Tesco own brand rough stuff.

I met the very bloke a few years ago. If it's still the same guy, as well as UR he also looks after number of other local athletes.
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Re: Logan must go

Postby Cockatrice » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:47 am

I hope they take a long hard look at the current Head Coach - DoR - Ops Manager - CEO structure as for me it is a role/salary too much. I am sure most if not all clubs have a title similar to Ops Manager but from my understanding this specific role was created to get over the CEO inabilities to take on some of Humps previous workload.

Making the right choice at DoR could and should rectify this. The committees on the other I suspect mirror Leinster and Munster but I would be interested in seeing the make up of those provinces Pro Game Boards (if they have one) to see if those on them bring more to the table than ours.. What qualifications do those on our Pro Game Board have to run a professional rugby team indeed do they are they just a smoke and extra layer of teflon for those hiding behind them.. Few on here seem prepared to even to point the finger at any of them.

After that come the very long standing cabal of committee members that weld more power than they should (not all but the few) for they should be allowed to contribute to the domestic game not seemingly put their fingerprints on the pro-game... in short they need culled.

If Gibbes isn't the sort of man that actually wants to be a DoR then presumably they is a long standing wish and yes there are people like that that know what they are good at and it left alone they deliver 100% without the responsibility of being the big cheese. Proper due diligence would and should have identified that and if we were happy with him like that when we signed him then we need to be careful if we look to him as DoR full time.. because we are pushing him in a direction that he is uncomfortable with.

As for expertise we have some even on the committees take a look at the Chair of the PMC christ employing someone with his CV would cost us 2x CEO wages and before him the previous Chair very similar.. both with huge business experience and indeed the previous incumbent should be given much credit for the delivery of the stadia.. certainly more than the CEO.
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Re: Logan must go

Postby Rooster » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:10 am

If Gibbes does not want the DOR job he shouldn't be pushed in that direction, my own opinion is Kiss may have been decent enough at coaching bit attempting DOR was a step too far and ruined is other expertise.
As far as a CEO goes then with the wages on offer from UR then it will either be a young lad wanting to get a name for himself in that role and who will push things to build reputation before moving up the ladder in a few years. An older CEO who has been in a high pressure job wanting something less stressful for 4 or 5 years or one who is punching in the years to retirement.
Now the first 2 categories are excellent choices as they must deliver if they have further ambitions but the third is actually a total problem as they will just bumble along and punch in the years.
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Re: Logan must go

Postby Jackie Brown » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:38 am

In the current structure surely Bryn is DOR and Jonno is Head Coach. If we bring in a DOR why d
would we employ Bryn? We have more levels of management than we do players.

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Re: Logan must go

Postby Snipe Watson » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:44 am

Job titles mean nothing. it's job roles that count.
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Re: Logan must go

Postby UlsterNo9 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:56 am

Bryns title has changed from Operations Manager to Operations Director recently which would imply he has new / additional duties.

Operations Director may now fulfil Director of Rugby role.

Add a defence coach and get on with it.
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Re: Logan must go

Postby Dave » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:22 pm

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Re: Logan must go

Postby Cockatrice » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:19 pm

The only Les Kiss of interest to me from here on is Lesbian Kiss...
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Re: Logan must go

Postby Cockatrice » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:27 pm

Snipe Watson wrote:Job titles mean nothing. it's job roles that count.


Part of the problem for me snipe is and maybe it is only an impression but UR appear to change job titles and roles.. if not mistaken Bryn has maybe had three job titles since he started.. whoever the new DoR if we continue on that path should have control of rugby matters.

To add... when Bryn was first appointment it was to the position of Team Manager described by Terry as a new role after a review of structures.. interestingly it appears we previously had a Team Manager anyhow further confirming that Terry makes it up as he went along..
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Re: Logan must go

Postby Cockatrice » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:48 pm

And for the record 3 years after a review of structures we presumably need another one badly.. plus when was the re-structure of the Academy? Based on this we need re-structured every 18 months..
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Re: Logan must go

Postby Rooster » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:26 pm

Just let Bryn do the paperwork, change his title to DOR, hire a defence coach and carry on until Logan gets a boot up the arasse
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Re: Logan must go

Postby BaggyTrousers » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:54 pm

In my considered and quite drunk opinion, we very badly need to return to a DOR who doesn't coach but does meddle s bit to keep others honest but primarily concerned himself with the bits and pieces a pro team needs and let coaches coach.

I have it on reasonable authority that nobody on the playing staff is gutted to see the back of Kiss and some are positively effusive.
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