So say the 'noise' gets too loud .... and he goes ....

[UlsterNo9]

Personally I'd ditch Bryn as well for the SDVM and Oh No signings....2 of the worse props I have seen in 50 years.

RAY might have been on Rory's recommendation. I'd say Bryn knows feck all about praps. Although I think anyone can see he's a poor standard.

Rory out.

Or just maybe Ah You was the only IQ tight head prop available to sign, and if we did not have him at some stages last year we would have been unable to field a team! I don't remember Bryn having other obvious options Scrum?

Rodney was signed on a two year deal which I believe ends this season with Marty Moore signed to replace.

Don't feel Bryn has done too badly at all

[Liz Fraser]

I don't think anyone was suggesting Lancaster as top dog. He has been an elite level coach in the england setup for years. He didn't have a clue about selecting at international level. You need a proven winner at club level before you get an international gig. Anyway Lancaster is doing a very good job at Leinster he would hardly wish to demote himself and head north.

A bit like EOS, probably a good coach but never a head coach. I think getting an experienced coach would be good for us as back up to Jonno with LK out of the picture. FOLK is a prime example of a guy just handed a role he has no experience with and just floundering.

Same point Baggy made Dave about Lancaster being best and content as a number 2.
Think Mark McCall.
Basically he was broken man after he left us bottom of the Magners and at the receiving end of a European hiding by Gloucester.
Davidson got him back on the bike again at Castres and the rest is history.

I don't think we should underestimate Lancasters ability or his willing to learn from mistakes and failure, to be a number 1.
Doesn't strike me as the sort to know his limitations or not look to better himself.

[Cockatrice]

Why does the radar always escape when the blame is being dispatched to all and sundry?

That's what happens when you have too many layers to assign full responsibility to one person, it's a bit like civil service chain of command, blame the one below yourself and so on till it gets lost in the system down with some pen pusher then they blame a computer error.

Don't forget the CiC had 6 years (2004-2010) with the Youth Justice Agency immediately prior to taking up his role here.. they are a department attached to OFDFM if not mistaken and if anyone can pass the buck it is that office.. btw did we get 3 or 4 RHI boilers?

[scrum5]

Personally I'd ditch Bryn as well for the SDVM and Oh No signings....2 of the worse props I have seen in 50 years.

RAY might have been on Rory's recommendation. I'd say Bryn knows feck all about praps. Although I think anyone can see he's a poor standard.

Rory out.

Or just maybe Ah You was the only IQ tight head prop available to sign, and if we did not have him at some stages last year we would have been unable to field a team! I don't remember Bryn having other obvious options Scrum?

Rodney was signed on a two year deal which I believe ends this season with Marty Moore signed to replace.

Don't feel Bryn has done too badly at all

Remind me what IQ TH Connacht signed to replace Rodders, would he not have been available the same time Oh No was available

[222toHounslow]

Anybody any news about Arno Botha?

[therealspratt]

Personally I'd ditch Bryn as well for the SDVM and Oh No signings....2 of the worse props I have seen in 50 years.

RAY might have been on Rory's recommendation. I'd say Bryn knows feck all about praps. Although I think anyone can see he's a poor standard.

Rory out.

Or just maybe Ah You was the only IQ tight head prop available to sign, and if we did not have him at some stages last year we would have been unable to field a team! I don't remember Bryn having other obvious options Scrum?

Rodney was signed on a two year deal which I believe ends this season with Marty Moore signed to replace.

Don't feel Bryn has done too badly at all

Assuming Marty is much more use than Rodney.

[Rooster]

Personally I'd ditch Bryn as well for the SDVM and Oh No signings....2 of the worse props I have seen in 50 years.

RAY might have been on Rory's recommendation. I'd say Bryn knows feck all about praps. Although I think anyone can see he's a poor standard.

Rory out.

Or just maybe Ah You was the only IQ tight head prop available to sign, and if we did not have him at some stages last year we would have been unable to field a team! I don't remember Bryn having other obvious options Scrum?

Rodney was signed on a two year deal which I believe ends this season with Marty Moore signed to replace.

Don't feel Bryn has done too badly at all

Assuming Marty is much more use than Rodney.

He needs a boot up the hole and some fitness to start with

[rocky]

Personally I'd ditch Bryn as well for the SDVM and Oh No signings....2 of the worse props I have seen in 50 years.

RAY might have been on Rory's recommendation. I'd say Bryn knows feck all about praps. Although I think anyone can see he's a poor standard.

Rory out.

Or just maybe Ah You was the only IQ tight head prop available to sign, and if we did not have him at some stages last year we would have been unable to field a team! I don't remember Bryn having other obvious options Scrum?

Rodney was signed on a two year deal which I believe ends this season with Marty Moore signed to replace.

Don't feel Bryn has done too badly at all

Assuming Marty is much more use than Rodney.

He needs a boot up the hole and some fitness to start with

Agreed, Rooster, but I think he can do a very good job for us. Now all we need is a loose head! Maybe they're waiting for O'Hagan or Reid to grow up.

[therealspratt]

Personally I'd ditch Bryn as well for the SDVM and Oh No signings....2 of the worse props I have seen in 50 years.

RAY might have been on Rory's recommendation. I'd say Bryn knows feck all about praps. Although I think anyone can see he's a poor standard.

Rory out.

Or just maybe Ah You was the only IQ tight head prop available to sign, and if we did not have him at some stages last year we would have been unable to field a team! I don't remember Bryn having other obvious options Scrum?

Rodney was signed on a two year deal which I believe ends this season with Marty Moore signed to replace.

Don't feel Bryn has done too badly at all

Assuming Marty is much more use than Rodney.

He needs a boot up the hole and some fitness to start with

Sounds like the pitch for Rodney

[Dave]

Anybody any news about Arno Botha?

I'm waiting for a fourth thread to discuss him before I wade in...

[therealspratt]

On O'Hagan, I don't quite know why they've been holding back from giving him his shot this season. To my eye he looks plenty grown up already, certainly more sizeable than any of our other options there. Reid's a big if, we'll see how that works out.

[BaggyTrousers]

Steady Liz, I made no such comment. Slightly in jest I said I wouldn't have a fücking Lionel about me.

Like one or two I believe he was scapegoated for Burgess which was probably Rob Andrew's idea. Then there was an opinion that Farrell taking over. Finally, Jones has indeed simply taken Lancaster's groundwork and with a couple of years more maturity they have gone forward but not as far as they think. They've had only Ireland as a serious threat in Europe, haven't played NZ had SA in shambles and Oz with a huge injury crisis in a fairly shallow talent pool.

Lionel Båstards

[Dave]

O'Hagan is 25 in October. I'd say he will move on at the end of the season. We are well stocked at LH.

[therealspratt]

O'Hagan is 25 in October. I'd say he will move on at the end of the season. We are well stocked at LH.

All those exciting talents coming through there in the academy too.

Hopefully at long last he gets some gametime during the 6 Nations, however there have been opportunities before where we could have put him in there on the bench and have chosen not to going for Warwick instead.

[Liz Fraser]

Steady Liz, I made no such comment. Slightly in jest I said I wouldn't have a fücking Lionel about me.

Like one or two I believe he was scapegoated for Burgess which was probably Rob Andrew's idea. Then there was an opinion that Farrell taking over. Finally, Jones has indeed simply taken Lancaster's groundwork and with a couple of years more maturity they hiave gone forward but not as far as they think. They've had only Ireland as a serious threat in Europe, haven't played NZ had SA in shambles and Oz with a huge injury crisis in a fairly shallow talent pool.

Lionel Båstards

Agreed Baggy.
However I think his obstinacy in refusing to select Stefano Armitage, breakdown specialist and the European player of the year, was perhaps his greatest blemish as they were destroyed at the breakdown.
Again possibly not his call but he certainly went along with it and I'm sure he has learned from that.

I think Jones is a great coach particularly winning 3-0 in Oz and making Haskell look a world beater.
However I don't think he's developed much smarts in his side as we saw against Italys exploitation of the offside laws last year
You can imagine O'shea thinking he may have got 15 minutes out of that tops, not over a half of rugby.
You can't imagine Leinster taking that amount of time to work out what was going on.

Jones is not reinventing the wheel but simply playing to his sides strengths.
You know what's coming but what can you do about it.
Still not convinced about their back line though.
It will be interesting to see how they get on against one of my favourite coaches Townsend this year at Murrayfield.
Dare I say it Gregor has transformed Scotland into a team I like watching!

What Lancaster and Co are doing at Leinster is great to watch and effective.
The main thing all of these coaches have in common is that their sides play with intensity.
That shows a side wants to play for each other and the coach.
They have a belief and trust in the set up and systems which transfers to on field intensity.
We haven't really seen that at Ulster since the Nevin inspired Scarlets game.

With any future coach we get it's paramount they can introduce intensity regardless of gameplan or tactics.
Without that it's pointless.