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Re: FOLK

Postby Cockatrice » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:35 am

UlsterNo9 wrote:Who is bringing the Kiss and Logan Out banner to the next game?

>you_rock

Nothing but keyboard warriors the lot of you.


I'll bring my iPad to the next game..

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Re: FOLK

Postby BR » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:34 pm

ColinM wrote:Said it before Les can go without needing replaced, the rest of the structure can work without a DoR. Bring in a junior coach to do defence at much lower cost

You have faith in Gibbes?
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Re: FOLK

Postby Rooster » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:00 pm

BR wrote:
ColinM wrote:Said it before Les can go without needing replaced, the rest of the structure can work without a DoR. Bring in a junior coach to do defence at much lower cost

You have faith in Gibbes?
Won't know about Gibbes and Peel till they get rid of Kiss.
As I have said before we got rid of 2 coaches last year and that was required problem was we would have kept Doak and sent Kiss in his place.
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Re: FOLK

Postby Cornerfleg » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:07 pm

Don't get me wrong I'm no apologist for Kiss .... but for a minute - take off the Ulster till I die hats and the we're Brill due to the divine right, and only Les and Logie are holding us back ... what makes anyone think even should we get a new DOR ... we have enough talent to be anything more than just a bit better than the Dragons ... seriously now. Dump the Lienster rejects - get rid of projects and imports ... mon now, lets have 15 Ulstermen in 15 shirts .... feck me. :duh:

I have no confidence that no matter who we get he'll just run out of turn polish very quickly.
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Re: FOLK

Postby ColinM » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:21 pm

BR wrote:
ColinM wrote:Said it before Les can go without needing replaced, the rest of the structure can work without a DoR. Bring in a junior coach to do defence at much lower cost

You have faith in Gibbes?



Fair question. Can't say absolutely right now but I will say he is the type of coach I prefer, a hard nosed ex-forward who you know you'd bloody well listen to if he talked to you. One who knows a thing or two about froward play (forwards win matches etc), and has a decent coaching track record, albeit as an assistant who has earned his shot at leading a side.

I'm afraid its impossible to say any of that about FOLK
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Re: FOLK

Postby Amiga500 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:02 pm

BR wrote:You have faith in Gibbes?


There is a recurring theme here. Always blame the head coach. Its like England after every wendyball tournament.


How about facing reality. The players we have aren't good enough, both the professional and branch structures are tom kite and there is no conveyor belt of talent.

We have to import average dross because we cannot even manage to produce Dave levels of mediocrity locally.
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Re: FOLK

Postby BR » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:50 pm

Amiga500 wrote:
BR wrote:You have faith in Gibbes?


There is a recurring theme here. Always blame the head coach. Its like England after every wendyball tournament.


How about facing reality. The players we have aren't good enough, both the professional and branch structures are tom kite and there is no conveyor belt of talent.

We have to import average dross because we cannot even manage to produce Dave levels of mediocrity locally.

I have seen with my own eyes, a fair proportion of those players playing at an infinitely higher standard than they did on Friday.

Either:
they are being told to play in a particular (ineffective) manner.
Or
they are being told to play a much better game and are failing to implement it.

Whichever - I blame Kiss.
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Re: FOLK

Postby Cockatrice » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:32 pm

BR wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
BR wrote:You have faith in Gibbes?


There is a recurring theme here. Always blame the head coach. Its like England after every wendyball tournament.


How about facing reality. The players we have aren't good enough, both the professional and branch structures are tom kite and there is no conveyor belt of talent.

We have to import average dross because we cannot even manage to produce Dave levels of mediocrity locally.

I have seen with my own eyes, a fair proportion of those players playing at an infinitely higher standard than they did on Friday.

Either:
they are being told to play in a particular (ineffective) manner.
Or
they are being told to play a much better game and are failing to implement it.

Whichever - I blame Kiss.


I think back to an interview when Gibbes was asked did the players not have a Plan B to fall back on when Plan A wasn't working.. his answer was they couldn't even implement Plan A never mind switch to Plan B.. I think that answer was very telling and is one which has been overlooked by many since and as such we have a bunch of players who are incapable of implementing the coaches plan...

now that either smacks of a bunch of players that not having any faith in the coach or that they are simply dumb players.
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Re: FOLK

Postby Cockatrice » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:33 pm

BR wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
BR wrote:You have faith in Gibbes?


There is a recurring theme here. Always blame the head coach. Its like England after every wendyball tournament.


How about facing reality. The players we have aren't good enough, both the professional and branch structures are tom kite and there is no conveyor belt of talent.

We have to import average dross because we cannot even manage to produce Dave levels of mediocrity locally.

I have seen with my own eyes, a fair proportion of those players playing at an infinitely higher standard than they did on Friday.

Either:
they are being told to play in a particular (ineffective) manner.
Or
they are being told to play a much better game and are failing to implement it.

Whichever - I blame Kiss.


Do we have a Forwards Coach who thought he was going to be the Head Coach soon realising that he isn't... and

As with my other post why can't the players implement Plan A when given to them.
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Re: FOLK

Postby BR » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:37 pm

Cockatrice wrote:
BR wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
BR wrote:You have faith in Gibbes?


There is a recurring theme here. Always blame the head coach. Its like England after every wendyball tournament.


How about facing reality. The players we have aren't good enough, both the professional and branch structures are tom kite and there is no conveyor belt of talent.

We have to import average dross because we cannot even manage to produce Dave levels of mediocrity locally.

I have seen with my own eyes, a fair proportion of those players playing at an infinitely higher standard than they did on Friday.

Either:
they are being told to play in a particular (ineffective) manner.
Or
they are being told to play a much better game and are failing to implement it.

Whichever - I blame Kiss.


Do we have a Forwards Coach who thought he was going to be the Head Coach soon realising that he isn't... and

As with my other post why can't the players implement Plan A when given to them.

Because it's a sihte plan (or to be kind - one that doesn't suit the team)
Or
They don't understand the plan in the first place.
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Re: FOLK

Postby Cockatrice » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:38 pm

Amiga500 wrote:
BR wrote:You have faith in Gibbes?


There is a recurring theme here. Always blame the head coach. Its like England after every wendyball tournament.


How about facing reality. The players we have aren't good enough, both the professional and branch structures are tom kite and there is no conveyor belt of talent.

We have to import average dross because we cannot even manage to produce Dave levels of mediocrity locally.


are there too many confusing layers of teflon so that nothing sticks.... if not mistaken the professional and branch structures being shyte are two of the three areas for Col Paddy Mayne's KPI's....
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Re: FOLK

Postby Cockatrice » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:42 pm

BR wrote:
Cockatrice wrote:
BR wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
BR wrote:You have faith in Gibbes?


There is a recurring theme here. Always blame the head coach. Its like England after every wendyball tournament.


How about facing reality. The players we have aren't good enough, both the professional and branch structures are tom kite and there is no conveyor belt of talent.

We have to import average dross because we cannot even manage to produce Dave levels of mediocrity locally.

I have seen with my own eyes, a fair proportion of those players playing at an infinitely higher standard than they did on Friday.

Either:
they are being told to play in a particular (ineffective) manner.
Or
they are being told to play a much better game and are failing to implement it.

Whichever - I blame Kiss.


Do we have a Forwards Coach who thought he was going to be the Head Coach soon realising that he isn't... and

As with my other post why can't the players implement Plan A when given to them.

Because it's a sihte plan (or to be kind - one that doesn't suit the team)
Or
They don't understand the plan in the first place.


Yes.... but again was Gibbes putting it out there in a subtle way that the players can't implement Plan B because they couldn't implement Plan A and that is because Kiss is too complicated in his communication and delivers too many late changes.. the players don't understand it and Gibbes doesn't understand it.

I think that was what he also did when he dropped in the he was only the Forward Coach comment ..
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Re: FOLK

Postby BR » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:46 pm

Cockatrice wrote:
BR wrote:
Cockatrice wrote:
BR wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:[quote="BR"]You have faith in Gibbes?


There is a recurring theme here. Always blame the head coach. Its like England after every wendyball tournament.


How about facing reality. The players we have aren't good enough, both the professional and branch structures are tom kite and there is no conveyor belt of talent.

We have to import average dross because we cannot even manage to produce Dave levels of mediocrity locally.

I have seen with my own eyes, a fair proportion of those players playing at an infinitely higher standard than they did on Friday.

Either:
they are being told to play in a particular (ineffective) manner.
Or
they are being told to play a much better game and are failing to implement it.

Whichever - I blame Kiss.


Do we have a Forwards Coach who thought he was going to be the Head Coach soon realising that he isn't... and

As with my other post why can't the players implement Plan A when given to them.

Because it's a sihte plan (or to be kind - one that doesn't suit the team)
Or
They don't understand the plan in the first place.


Yes.... but again was Gibbes putting it out there in a subtle way that the players can't implement Plan B because they couldn't implement Plan A and that is because Kiss is too complicated in his communication and delivers too many late changes.. the players don't understand it and Gibbes doesn't understand it.

I think that was what he also did when he dropped in the he was only the Forward Coach comment ..[/quote]
Amounts to the same thing.
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Re: FOLK

Postby Cockatrice » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:57 pm

FOLK then...
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Re: FOLK

Postby justinr73 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:10 pm

Do we have a Forwards Coach who thought he was going to be the Head Coach soon realising that he isn't... and

As with my other post why can't the players implement Plan A when given to them.[/quote]
Because it's a sihte plan (or to be kind - one that doesn't suit the team)
Or
They don't understand the plan in the first place.[/quote]

Yes.... but again was Gibbes putting it out there in a subtle way that the players can't implement Plan B because they couldn't implement Plan A and that is because Kiss is too complicated in his communication and delivers too many late changes.. the players don't understand it and Gibbes doesn't understand it.

I think that was what he also did when he dropped in the he was only the Forward Coach comment ..[/quote]
Amounts to the same thing.[/quote]

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