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Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby BaggyTrousers » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:46 pm

I have become increasingly perplexed with the decision making on selection in recent months, I would have described myself as a Kiss Loyalist until perhaps a month ago.

I have said here that I believe he deserves a run in charge with coaches of his own choosing but slowly, then increasingly quickly it has dawned on me that it is ludicrous to believe he is in anyway inhibited by his underlings. The buck stops with Kiss and in my opinion he and his selections have cost Ulster several points and cost us position and quite probably a finish outside the top 4.

If anyone sees it differently please tell me, why on God's green and blue earth would anyone select a centre pairing who have the previous week missed more tackles in a game than any centre pairing since Borders left the league?

My question now is this, is Les Kiss selecting the players he considers will be best in a particular game or is he selecting players based on who Ireland, represented by Schmidt and Nucifora as possible long term benefit to Team Ireland. Is Kiss working for Ulster or Ireland.

All indications point to an unhappy camp, I think my previous understanding may well have been wrong. I believe Kiss may well be a fuc'king balloon.
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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby Cap'n Grumpy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:00 am

BaggyTrousers wrote:I have become increasingly perplexed with the decision making on selection in recent months, I would have described myself as a Kiss Loyalist until perhaps a month ago.

I have said here that I believe he deserves a run in charge with coaches of his own choosing but slowly, then increasingly quickly it has dawned on me that it is ludicrous to believe he is in anyway inhibited by his underlings. The buck stops with Kiss and in my opinion he and his selections have cost Ulster several points and cost us position and quite probably a finish outside the top 4.

If anyone sees it differently please tell me, why on God's green and blue earth would anyone select a centre pairing who have the previous week missed more tackles in a game than any centre pairing since Borders left the league?

My question now is this, is Les Kiss selecting the players he considers will be best in a particular game or is he selecting players based on who Ireland, represented by Schmidt and Nucifora as possible long term benefit to Team Ireland. Is Kiss working for Ulster or Ireland.

All indications point to an unhappy camp, I think my previous understanding may well have been wrong. I believe Kiss may well be a fuc'king balloon.

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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby Dave » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:12 am

FIRFU were concerned about Leo Cullen not having enough experience, so they brought in Stuart Lancaster and Graham Henry. When Doak was causing concern, we got Les. Who were they really concerned about and who could they not give a fcuk for?
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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby Rooster » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:23 am

Dave wrote:FIRFU were concerned about Leo Cullen not having enough experience, so they brought in Stuart Lancaster and Graham Henry. When Doak was causing concern, we got Les. Who were they really concerned about and who could they not give a fcuk for?

They even let us wait till they were finished with him before he got sent to us :roll:
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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby BaggyTrousers » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:50 am

Cap'n Grumpy wrote:
BaggyTrousers wrote:I have become increasingly perplexed with the decision making on selection in recent months, I would have described myself as a Kiss Loyalist until perhaps a month ago.

I have said here that I believe he deserves a run in charge with coaches of his own choosing but slowly, then increasingly quickly it has dawned on me that it is ludicrous to believe he is in anyway inhibited by his underlings. The buck stops with Kiss and in my opinion he and his selections have cost Ulster several points and cost us position and quite probably a finish outside the top 4.

If anyone sees it differently please tell me, why on God's green and blue earth would anyone select a centre pairing who have the previous week missed more tackles in a game than any centre pairing since Borders left the league?

My question now is this, is Les Kiss selecting the players he considers will be best in a particular game or is he selecting players based on who Ireland, represented by Schmidt and Nucifora as possible long term benefit to Team Ireland. Is Kiss working for Ulster or Ireland.

All indications point to an unhappy camp, I think my previous understanding may well have been wrong. I believe Kiss may well be a fuc'king balloon.

Darren Cave's face doesn't fit ....... apparently.



Congratulations, a coconut for the Cap'n, certainly one of the mysteries of Kiss selection. Other correct nominations may collect their coconuts at reception. Roll up roll up, name the dumb selections.

On Cave, can anyone name the precise date when he became surplus to requirements? A bonus coconut is available.
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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby Rooster » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:10 am

Ludik also seems surplus to requirements , before his concussion he was a serious contender for player of the season , plays anywhere from 12 to 15 yet though he was supposed to be fit didn't feature last week either
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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby ColinM » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:20 am

Rooster wrote:
Dave wrote:FIRFU were concerned about Leo Cullen not having enough experience, so they brought in Stuart Lancaster and Graham Henry. When Doak was causing concern, we got Les. Who were they really concerned about and who could they not give a fcuk for?

They even let us wait till they were finished with him before he got sent to us :roll:


That's not right Rooster, Kiss was identified as the worlds top coach, and good enough to wait for.
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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby Rooster » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:27 am

ColinM wrote:
Rooster wrote:
Dave wrote:FIRFU were concerned about Leo Cullen not having enough experience, so they brought in Stuart Lancaster and Graham Henry. When Doak was causing concern, we got Les. Who were they really concerned about and who could they not give a fcuk for?

They even let us wait till they were finished with him before he got sent to us :roll:


That's not right Rooster, Kiss was identified as the worlds top coach, and good enough to wait for.

That was the biggest load of horlix going, for a start he never was more than a defence coach and by the look of things Dinger Bell was better anyway.
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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby Cap'n Grumpy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:52 am

Rooster wrote:Has anyone ever hear of a team hiring a coach to take over a vacancy months after the vacancy appears ?

Shoor, that is now official Ulster defence policy - we fill a vacancy in midfield defence long after it appears, ..... unfortuantely it is also long after the opposition has run through it .....
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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby ColinM » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:23 pm

Cap'n Grumpy wrote:
Rooster wrote:Has anyone ever hear of a team hiring a coach to take over a vacancy months after the vacancy appears ?

Shoor, that is now official Ulster defence policy - we fill a vacancy in midfield defence long after it appears, ..... unfortuantely it is also long after the opposition has run through it .....



In contrast to the attack policy where we fill wing vacancies 18 months before they appear, whether they appear or not
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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby Rooster » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:26 pm

ColinM wrote:
Cap'n Grumpy wrote:
Rooster wrote:Has anyone ever hear of a team hiring a coach to take over a vacancy months after the vacancy appears ?

Shoor, that is now official Ulster defence policy - we fill a vacancy in midfield defence long after it appears, ..... unfortuantely it is also long after the opposition has run through it .....



In contrast to the attack policy where we fill wing vacancies 18 months before they appear, whether they appear or not

At least he didn't wreck his knees between signing and arrival, something strange about that.
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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby Snipe Watson » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:33 pm

Of course he's a Dublin plant. D4 pay his wages, albeit in the guise of UR.

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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby UlsterNo9 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:53 pm

We are playing more attractive rugby this year than we were last under Doak ball tactics.

With a bit of Jono Gibbes tighten up fluid to grease the forward engine I would like to think we would have beaten Munster home and away this season. That's a six league point swing on current standings putting us in second place.

A full season with Marcel Coetzee playing next to no rugby also has not helped.

A hair of a horses whatsits from a home semi. That's my tuppence.

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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby BaggyTrousers » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:47 pm

Sadly no.9 you are as blind to the facts as I was a month ago. Kiss is a huge part of the problem, the dressing room does not respect him, they almost exclusively prefer Doak, and even Clarke is a toss up with Kiss for their regard.

As I said Exile, though not spot on in support of himself/his brother/his son/ his best mate, was not a mile from the truth, Kiss is a fussy wee interfering son of a bitch who thinks he knows more than he does, obstructs those who know a bit more and couldn't pick a dingleberry from his hole never mind a rugby team. This is multisourced information and therefore gospel (or just about conceivably not), sooner or later he will be sacked hopefully before another season is entirely shot through by incompetence.

He's Dublins boy and they don't give a tinker'swank about Ulster, just that whoever they want developed gets developed, if that fits with what is good for Ulster, ok, if not, they have few to zero fecks to give.

I'm preaching here No.9 this is gospel, ask anyone you know who is ITK, Dave will almost certainly confirm the veracity of my spake.

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Re: Les Kiss, Ulster DOR or Dublin Plant?

Postby Dave » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:53 pm

UlsterNo9 wrote:We are playing more attractive rugby this year than we were last under Doak ball tactics.

With a bit of Jono Gibbes tighten up fluid to grease the forward engine I would like to think we would have beaten Munster home and away this season. That's a six league point swing on current standings putting us in second place.

A full season with Marcel Coetzee playing next to no rugby also has not helped.

A hair of a horses whatsits from a home semi. That's my tuppence.

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