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Postby Amiga500 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:51 pm

Looks like he is leaving Leinster next year.

Ross Kane (& Kyle McCall) could do with someone to help him develop as a scrummager.

Rodney Ah You is not reliable.


What do the sages think? I reckon we could do a lot worse than bring him in as a player/coach.
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Re: Mike Ross

Postby Big Smoke Culchie » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:55 pm

Scrum coach, yes. Too old and fat to be any use as a player now.
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Re: Mike Ross

Postby Snipe Watson » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:04 pm

I have seen nothing of Mike Ross to suggest that he has the goods to be a scrum coach.
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Re: Mike Ross

Postby Big Smoke Culchie » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:13 pm

He knows how to scrumage. What more is there?
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Re: Mike Ross

Postby big mervyn » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:19 pm

He has been described in the past as a "scrum nerd" which would suggest he has more interest than the average player in the technicalities.
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Re: Mike Ross

Postby CIMANFOREVER » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:35 pm

What's Greg Feek employed by IRFU for? And has he taken any scrum clinics up here? If not, why not?
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Re: Mike Ross

Postby therealspratt » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:41 pm

CIMANFOREVER wrote:What's Greg Feek employed by IRFU for? And has he taken any scrum clinics up here? If not, why not?

Even if he has there's nothing stopping us from hiring our own full time scrum coach like the other provinces.
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Re: Mike Ross

Postby Dave » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:35 pm

CIMANFOREVER wrote:What's Greg Feek employed by IRFU for? And has he taken any scrum clinics up here? If not, why not?

Only coaches Leinster.
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Re: Mike Ross

Postby Dave » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:17 pm

Mike Ross is done. Michael Bent has been ahead of him. Michael Bent. Ross could hold up scrum in his day and took advantage of a dearth of tightheads in Ireland. I'll never forget that afternoon in Twickenham when he cried off after getting incinerated at scrum time. Tom Court came on, like a lamb to be gutted, to play tighthead and the D4 meedya crucified Court. Say what you want about Court but he and Afoa destroyed lads in the scrum. That was back when we had a pack.

The best way for Kane to develop now is to let him play.
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Re: Mike Ross

Postby BaggyTrousers » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:15 pm

Snipe Watson wrote:I have seen nothing of Mike Ross to suggest that he has the goods to be a scrum coach.


That's interesting Snipe if you'll forgive me I'll ask a pertinent question. Have you seen anything specifically that would suggest to you that he would be a bad scrum coach?

I could be mistaken, unlikely though that is, but I'm pretty sure I've heard Furlong and Marty Moore before him stating publicly how much Rossy had helped their game.

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Furthermore, given the year we've had, given the injuries to Lutton, Kane, and the uncertainty if Rodders is an occasionally good player or the possibility he's a dud, I'd take a punt on Ross on a one-year contract but sold to him as mainly coaching experience, should he have any wish to go in that direction but also play on. Given his own experience of Jono Gibbes he might just find it attractive.

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Re: Mike Ross

Postby CIMANFOREVER » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:42 pm

therealspratt wrote:
CIMANFOREVER wrote:What's Greg Feek employed by IRFU for? And has he taken any scrum clinics up here? If not, why not?

Even if he has there's nothing stopping us from hiring our own full time scrum coach like the other provinces.


You're quite correct. I'm not against Ross in a coaching capacity tbf, but the point I was making that we have some young propping talent, and UR should've already been exposing them to the best coaching we have at our disposal regardless. Ross, if nothing else, could scrummage, although I totally agree he did bottle the England match, which says more for Courts balls than Ross's.
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Re: Mike Ross

Postby scrum5 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:44 pm

What's Rory think >EW
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Re: Mike Ross

Postby Russ » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:12 pm

scrum5 wrote:What's Rory think >EW

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Re: Mike Ross

Postby Snipe Watson » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:41 pm

BaggyTrousers wrote:
Snipe Watson wrote:I have seen nothing of Mike Ross to suggest that he has the goods to be a scrum coach.


That's interesting Snipe if you'll forgive me I'll ask a pertinent question. Have you seen anything specifically that would suggest to you that he would be a bad scrum coach?

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BaggyTrousers wrote:I could be mistaken, unlikely though that is, but I'm pretty sure I've heard Furlong and Marty Moore before him stating publicly how much Rossy had helped their game.

That's more than I heard. Still not a lot though.
Especially if he only knows how to coach tightheads.
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Re: Mike Ross

Postby Amiga500 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:10 pm

Snipe Watson wrote:Especially if he only knows how to coach tightheads.


I'd imagine he'd be very well versed in the stroke/counterstroke that goes on between tight and loose in the scrum.


The thing that stands out to me is that he could scrummage right now and be (very) competitive at it. I've been told that the best way to know what is going on in any given scrum is actually to be in it - since I've no idea myself I have to take that at face value.

So, to me, it wouldn't be as if Ross could only stand on the training pitch and try to view whats happening (as per 99% of scrum coaches in the world) - he could get into the scrum and feel whats really going on with all players under real pressure. It could be a short (but great) window of opportunity for us.
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