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Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby Dave » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:13 pm

Centres are fcuked in our current defensive system.
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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby Rooster » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:21 pm

Dave wrote:Centres are fcuked in our current defensive system.

Our current defensive system is fcuked
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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby Dave » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:34 pm

Rooster wrote:
Dave wrote:Centres are fcuked in our current defensive system.

Our current defensive system is fcuked

Our whole setup is fcuked.
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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby Rooster » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:39 pm

Dave wrote:
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Dave wrote:Centres are fcuked in our current defensive system.

Our current defensive system is fcuked

Our whole setup is fcuked.

Right from bottom to top, clubs through to professional
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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby Tender » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:32 pm

We have a system?
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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby Dave » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:55 pm

Tighter End wrote:We have a system?

We've no defence.
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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby Snipe Watson » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:14 pm

Our drift defence requires a back row that can move with the defence. On Friday night, our back row consisted of the mobile Sean Reidy and two traffic cones. A drift defence that is hobbled and can't drift is a recipe for defeat.
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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby Dave » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:37 pm

Snipe Watson wrote:Our drift defence requires a back row that can move with the defence. On Friday night, our back row consisted of the mobile Sean Reidy and two traffic cones. A drift defence that is hobbled and can't drift is a recipe for defeat.

Most of the resources of our pack are often tied up, they usually find it difficult to contain the opposition pack. Especially if they have any ball carriers of note. We then bunch up around the ruck and we are too stretched in midfield. Centres are fecked and then usually face individual criticism from the experts on here.
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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby CIMANFOREVER » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:36 pm

Snipe Watson wrote:Our drift defence requires a back row that can move with the defence. On Friday night, our back row consisted of the mobile Sean Reidy and two traffic cones. A drift defence that is hobbled and can't drift is a recipe for defeat.

One of which was an increasingly poor and immobile Henderson. At least Roger has an excuse- what's Hendo's? He needs a lie in? :scratch:
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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby Snipe Watson » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:45 pm

Dave wrote:
Snipe Watson wrote:Our drift defence requires a back row that can move with the defence. On Friday night, our back row consisted of the mobile Sean Reidy and two traffic cones. A drift defence that is hobbled and can't drift is a recipe for defeat.

Most of the resources of our pack are often tied up, they usually find it difficult to contain the opposition pack. Especially if they have any ball carriers of note. We then bunch up around the ruck and we are too stretched in midfield. Centres are fecked and then usually face individual criticism from the experts on here.

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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby Snipe Watson » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:46 pm

CIMANFOREVER wrote:
Snipe Watson wrote:Our drift defence requires a back row that can move with the defence. On Friday night, our back row consisted of the mobile Sean Reidy and two traffic cones. A drift defence that is hobbled and can't drift is a recipe for defeat.

One of which was an increasingly poor and immobile Henderson. At least Roger has an excuse- what's Hendo's? He needs a lie in? :scratch:

He's looking more like a second row every game.
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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby CIMANFOREVER » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:49 pm

Dave wrote:
Snipe Watson wrote:Our drift defence requires a back row that can move with the defence. On Friday night, our back row consisted of the mobile Sean Reidy and two traffic cones. A drift defence that is hobbled and can't drift is a recipe for defeat.

Most of the resources of our pack are often tied up, they usually find it difficult to contain the opposition pack. Especially if they have any ball carriers of note. We then bunch up around the ruck and we are too stretched in midfield. Centres are fecked and then usually face individual criticism from the experts on here.


So Olding and Marshall bear no responsibility Dave :scratch: ? SO has offered little recently in the centre at a time when Ulster need these guys to stand up and be counted. He offered little going forward, regardless of any the defensive issues, for a guy lauded for supposed creativity and skill. Over the recent games he's started, he's had plenty of ball, but done little with it other than step into traffic- madness given the quality of Cardiffs backrow and the wingers at our disposal. He was continually creamed one on one- you make it sound as if he was defending Rorke's drift.

Id take Ludik and Cave in centre atm just to shore it up, or Stockdale for the form and dynamism missing currently. Bizarre Stockdale is not starting, end of.
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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby Dave » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:11 pm

CIMANFOREVER wrote:
Dave wrote:
Snipe Watson wrote:Our drift defence requires a back row that can move with the defence. On Friday night, our back row consisted of the mobile Sean Reidy and two traffic cones. A drift defence that is hobbled and can't drift is a recipe for defeat.

Most of the resources of our pack are often tied up, they usually find it difficult to contain the opposition pack. Especially if they have any ball carriers of note. We then bunch up around the ruck and we are too stretched in midfield. Centres are fecked and then usually face individual criticism from the experts on here.


So Olding and Marshall bear no responsibility Dave :scratch: ?


I didn't say that. They are not bad defenders. A blind monkey can see that this current defensive system is brutal.
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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby CIMANFOREVER » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:33 pm

I agree with you on that. Regardless of the detail, theres no arguing that its a rudderless unhappy low on confidence camp despite the hollow optimism of LK et al.
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Re: Ulster v Cardiff & yes it's on TV

Postby Snipe Watson » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:43 pm

CIMANFOREVER wrote:
Dave wrote:
Snipe Watson wrote:Our drift defence requires a back row that can move with the defence. On Friday night, our back row consisted of the mobile Sean Reidy and two traffic cones. A drift defence that is hobbled and can't drift is a recipe for defeat.

Most of the resources of our pack are often tied up, they usually find it difficult to contain the opposition pack. Especially if they have any ball carriers of note. We then bunch up around the ruck and we are too stretched in midfield. Centres are fecked and then usually face individual criticism from the experts on here.


So Olding and Marshall bear no responsibility Dave :scratch: ? SO has offered little recently in the centre at a time when Ulster need these guys to stand up and be counted. He offered little going forward, regardless of any the defensive issues, for a guy lauded for supposed creativity and skill. Over the recent games he's started, he's had plenty of ball, but done little with it other than step into traffic- madness given the quality of Cardiffs backrow and the wingers at our disposal. He was continually creamed one on one- you make it sound as if he was defending Rorke's drift.

Id take Ludik and Cave in centre atm just to shore it up, or Stockdale for the form and dynamism missing currently. Bizarre Stockdale is not starting, end of.

Olding frustrates the life out of me. He is a prodigiously talented kid, but he's continually overplaying what's in front of him. Needs to add some better decision making to the talent and he'll be good to go.
As for the responsibility, question, I'll let Dave speak for himself, but in my view they stand or fall as a team. The obvious issue was a porous midfield, but that may have been a symptom rather than the root cause.
We all know what a bad tackler looks like, and neither Olding nor Marshall fit that bill. For me, we're still hampered by the same problem as during the Autumn.
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