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Is Franno talking sense ?

Postby Rooster » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:51 am

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Re: Is Franno talking sense ?

Postby kUD » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:15 am


Makes a lot of sense to me.
In NZ we have weight limits up to the age of 13; so at least kids get a core set of skills. Can't see it happening though. Imagine the lawsuits from bigger players for restraint of trade; The Bloatman Ruling?

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Re: Is Franno talking sense ?

Postby Russ » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:20 am

Problem is some teams move to smaller guys and teams like Wales start to be able to run over the top of them again

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Re: Is Franno talking sense ?

Postby ColinM » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:28 am

Another school of thought is to only allow subs to come on for injury, that way players would need to be conditioned to play 80 mins not the 50 -60 most front row forwards are capable of.

Of course the game has moved on to a point where its ethical standards are such that feigned injury would be common. To counter that, advocates suggest allowing teams only to have say 4 subs meaning that having a specialist for each position available is less likely.

The issue with weight limits is does it become like boxing where players are dehydrating themselves 2 days before a game, weigh in and they're 3kgs heavier by kickoff, not good for the body doing that 20 times a season
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Re: Is Franno talking sense ?

Postby mid ulster maestro » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:25 am

It would appear the modern professional rugby is in an arms race. They have big guys, we need bigger guys and so it escalates. I'm of the belief that bulking up is unnatural and that it is a contributing factor in the high number of injuries you see in professional rugby. As professional rugby is relatively new I would be concerned about players health issues when they reach their latter years. I know I occasionally suffer from aches and pains related to my playing days and there is no way I was taking hits the way these guys are. Having said I was was tackled by Stuart Duncan once and I thought I'd been hit by a bus.
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Re: Is Franno talking sense ?

Postby Russ » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:36 am

mid ulster maestro wrote:It would appear the modern professional rugby is in an arms race. They have big guys, we need bigger guys and so it escalates. I'm of the belief that bulking up is unnatural and that it is a contributing factor in the high number of injuries you see in professional rugby. As professional rugby is relatively new I would be concerned about players health issues when they reach their latter years. I know I occasionally suffer from aches and pains related to my playing days and there is no way I was taking hits the way these guys are. Having said I was was tackled by Stuart Duncan once and I thought I'd been hit by a bus.

It happened in 2007 when SA bulked up to win the RWC

Everyone (including nz) followed suit

Only difference with NZ is the skill levels of those big guys

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Re: Is Franno talking sense ?

Postby ColinM » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:45 am

Thing is the Islanders (& Kiwis) are stronger naturally so bulk up less (proportionately) and lose less of their athleticism.

Our gym bunnies lose more athleticism, and lose more time out of skills training to get there and end up looking more like the best bull at Balmoral show than a rugby player
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Re: Is Franno talking sense ?

Postby rumncoke » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:02 am

Maybe the Kiwis (s/h)develop the skills because they play less rugby on wet sticky pitches

The Guys in S/H have been playing competitive rugby for about 4 or 5 weeks which is late Summer on relatively dry pitches

By the time the season starts in the N/H you could be playing in rain every week ,due to the difference in latitudes .

The difference in weather conditions creates a fundamental difference in approaches to the game with N/H like to play big pack rugby except big guys in the N/H come in two shapes tall and lean or squat and fat ,squat muscular fit and mobile is a rare breed in (N/H ) rugby .
Similar the fundamental differences in approach mean that N/ H forwards seldom need to develop a full range of skills and awareness of options when in possession of the ball . Give a N/ H forward the ball and he will run until tackled pass , kick or offload seldom feature in his thinking .




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Re: Is Franno talking sense ?

Postby BaggyTrousers » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:57 am

God Almighty, I knew something had to be wrong, no way could Franno be talking sense twice in his lifetime so I looked carefully and see it is an article published in Sept 2016 simply rehashed. Pretty sure most of the same comments were made here first time round.

What he says is not entirely without merit, but his basic comparison of props to F1 cars is, of course, risible as befits our national Stephen Jones mimic, the utter fuc'knuckle. Unlike cars, the human prop forward does not entirely gain from his overengineered arseflaps, he loses much more than he gains in fact, otherwise, clubs would be hiring sumo wrestlers.

This is not Franno being remotely sensible, he is simply scouring his wee brain-bax at 2.30 am in the morning making a story out of almost fuc'k all. As my mate JeanY'onyon would say, plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
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Re: Is Franno talking sense ?

Postby Amiga500 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:25 am

I think trying to impose a weight limit on the match day squad would be a good thing. Complicates things a bit, but not overly - the 4 man officiating team would have to weigh each player in the squad before the game starts.

Say, weight budgets of the following aren't unreasonable:
FR: 110 kg
SR: 110 kg
BR: 100 kg
HB: 90 kg
C: 95 kg
OB: 90kg

So, a nominal match day squad will include:
6xFR = 6x110
3xSR = 3x110
4xBR = 4x100
4xHB = 4x90
3xC = 2x95 (am lumping the OutsideBack on the bench into the Centres)
3xOB = 3x90

Total weight: 2305 kg

So the selectors can pick whoever they want, as long as the total squad weight does not exceed 2305 kg. You want a big pack? Fine - but you'll have a lighter backline.

I guess there will be complaints on grounds of "what happens if those are the only 23 fit players" - well, quick and dirty fix - if a squad exceeds the weight budget, the then team is handicapped 1 point on the scoreboard for each kg over the budget.
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Re: Is Franno talking sense ?

Postby BaggyTrousers » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:04 pm

Amiga500 wrote:I think trying to impose a weight limit on the match day squad would be a good thing. Complicates things a bit, but not overly - the 4 man officiating team would have to weigh each player in the squad before the game starts.

Say, weight budgets of the following aren't unreasonable:
FR: 110 kg
SR: 110 kg
BR: 100 kg
HB: 90 kg
C: 95 kg
OB: 90kg

So, a nominal match day squad will include:
6xFR = 6x110
3xSR = 3x110
4xBR = 4x100
4xHB = 4x90
3xC = 2x95 (am lumping the OutsideBack on the bench into the Centres)
3xOB = 3x90

Total weight: 2305 kg

So the selectors can pick whoever they want, as long as the total squad weight does not exceed 2305 kg. You want a big pack? Fine - but you'll have a lighter backline.

I guess there will be complaints on grounds of "what happens if those are the only 23 fit players" - well, quick and dirty fix - if a squad exceeds the weight budget, the then team is handicapped 1 point on the scoreboard for each kg over the budget.


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Re: Is Franno talking sense ?

Postby BR » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:58 pm

Amiga500 wrote:I think trying to impose a weight limit on the match day squad would be a good thing. Complicates things a bit, but not overly - the 4 man officiating team would have to weigh each player in the squad before the game starts.

Say, weight budgets of the following aren't unreasonable:
FR: 110 kg
SR: 110 kg
BR: 100 kg
HB: 90 kg
C: 95 kg
OB: 90kg

So, a nominal match day squad will include:
6xFR = 6x110
3xSR = 3x110
4xBR = 4x100
4xHB = 4x90
3xC = 2x95 (am lumping the OutsideBack on the bench into the Centres)
3xOB = 3x90

Total weight: 2305 kg

So the selectors can pick whoever they want, as long as the total squad weight does not exceed 2305 kg. You want a big pack? Fine - but you'll have a lighter backline.

I guess there will be complaints on grounds of "what happens if those are the only 23 fit players" - well, quick and dirty fix - if a squad exceeds the weight budget, the then team is handicapped 1 point on the scoreboard for each kg over the budget.

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Re: Is Franno talking sense ?

Postby Amiga500 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:18 pm

BaggyTrousers wrote:And I thought Franno was mad. :lol:


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