Ulster Rugby Round-Up podcast

[bazzaj]

You have the facts you just haven't read them correctly

[Cap'n Grumpy]

You have the facts you just haven't read them correctly

As per my edit:

Paul, Son of Jack?

Shirley ye jest?

[bazzaj]

I've told you not to call me Shirley on the open forum

[Dave]

SHIRLEY OUT

[justinr73]

There is another example of how not to handle a player.
I'll put in my starter from a former academy player I know, a hard aggressive forward he was too.
He was put on the bench v the usual Italian dross at home for his potential debut.

We had secured the tbp before half time perfect opportunity to give the debutant a half in a no pressure can't lose situation you would have thought.
He was given the last few minutes of the game for his one and only appearance then promptly dropped like a hot stone.
Next season he gave up rugby entirely to pursue an alternative career.
I won't name him but I'm sure you can work it out.

One example but there are plenty.
Think they justify that as having a look at him but we'll stick with Call up Black, Diack and Clive Ross if it's all the same thanks.

Ulster won the u20s inter pros in 2014.
Stockdale was on that side and the only one who has come through when you expect to see the others by now.
I don't buy your silk purse theory Justin

You're quite within your rights not to do so but sport is littered with the corpses of players from successful kids teams who don't make go on to make it in the full professional game.

Especially if they give up as easily as your mate.

[bazzaj]

Of course I'm not for one minute suggesting a man of your calibre wouldn't have given up so easily in order to provide for his family.
We can't all be as strong minded as you clearly are Justin.

Yes I expect there to be corpses of kids that can't cut it in Ulster Rugby
I've been around a bit and that's the reality Im fully aware of.
The problem is UR have enough corpses for to supply another season of the Walking dead.

Not every one can make it but as the minute we are even being supplemented by the other provinces corpses.
That's not a great state of affairs but if you think oh well what can you do, be aware you are letting a few that should be held accountable entirely off the hook.

[BaggyTrousers]

Of course I'm not for one minute suggesting a man of your calibre wouldn't have given up so easily in order to provide for his family.
We can't all be as strong minded as you clearly are Justin.

Yes I expect there to be corpses of kids that can't cut it in Ulster Rugby
I've been around a bit and that's the reality Im fully aware of.
The problem is UR have enough corpses for to supply another season of the Walking dead.

Not every one can make it but as the minute we are even being supplemented by the other provinces corpses.
That's not a great state of affairs but if you think oh well what can you do, be aware you are letting a few that should be held accountable entirely off the hook.

Jizzer, I'm entirely with you on most of that, I do wish we would give local lads who make it to the academy more opportunity for when given a decent chance many have shown reasonably capable.

However I'm not averse to bringing lads in from elsewhere either, you are bound to get some decent guys from Mexico for instance. Some may not have been as advanced at a certain age, equally the Mexicans aren't infallible, they will miss some decent players.

For me the problem is not so much "are they good enough" for me it's more are we good enough to see if they are up to it or not?

[bazzaj]

Clooney is clearly in that category Bagster.

Think more of Clive Ross.
Are we honestly in a position where we can't produce players at least as capable?
Sad state of affairs if we are to admit we can't.

Actually given the amount of game time Ross has had, he has improved significantly.
He has gone from ice cold to tepid.
Why hasn't our own talent been afforded the same opportunity?

[scrum5]

Watched Tommy O'Hagan last season against a much more experienced Canadian front row and then against Andrew Porter For the A's, on both occasions he was better than his opponent...today Porter has 15 senior Leinster caps and is starting for Ireland against Fiji, he is 21 years of age.....O'Hagan is 2 years older and isn't within an ass's roar of the senior team & it's not because he's not good enough

[scrum5]

Clooney is clearly in that category Bagster.

Think more of Clive Ross.
Are we honestly in a position where we can't produce players at least as capable?
Sad state of affairs if we are to admit we can't.

Actually given the amount of game time Ross has had, he has improved significantly.
He has gone from ice cold to tepid.
Why hasn't our own talent been afforded the same opportunity?

2 words should be enough..... CLUELESS LES

[bazzaj]

True enough scrummers but since Mcglocks tenure there have been plenty others culpable as well

[Dave]

Watched Tommy O'Hagan last season against a much more experienced Canadian front row and then against Andrew Porter For the A's, on both occasions he was better than his opponent...today Porter has 15 senior Leinster caps and is starting for Ireland against Fiji, he is 21 years of age.....O'Hagan is 2 years older and isn't within an ass's roar of the senior team & it's not because he's not good enough

Also appears that he is being asked to convert to tight head.

[justinr73]

I like the Walking Dead gag Bazz and I'm largely playing Devil's advocate of course.

The perception I have is that this is all about the fact that posters on here would prefer a team full of Ulstermen because they think they will try harder than imports or otherwise have a greater right to play.

I don't buy that, just as I'm more than capable of guldering as loud, or louder, than you.

It's also possible that, being from Preston, I'm attuned to a youth policy producing nothing since Tom Finney....

[bazzaj]

Ha fair play Justin

[scrum5]

I like the Walking Dead gag Bazz and I'm largely playing Devil's advocate of course.

The perception I have is that this is all about the fact that posters on here would prefer a team full of Ulstermen because they think they will try harder than imports or otherwise have a greater right to play.

I don't buy that, just as I'm more than capable of guldering as loud, or louder, than you.

It's also possible that, being from Preston, I'm attuned to a youth policy producing nothing since Tom Finney....

I would rather Tommy O'Hagan got gametime rather than SVDM